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And I am problematizing your claim Roland00 Send a noteboard - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM

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My premise was simply stated and based on logic. If the fetus is human then it shares the same right as any other human to not have its life extinguished.

No claim that all life is sacred.

No discussion on the nature of evil.

Just a simple binary based on the fact it is illegal in all 50 states and in Federal law to take a human life. But, of course, there are legal exceptions to those laws. And as always, the devil is in the details.


For ethics does not stop it is an ongoing process. Once cannot "reduce" this to something simple like cutting a knot in half for it intersects at so many things, and it unfolds over time and space.


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The only abortion question that matters

This is simply bullshit, with this logic why not nuke the world (or not) since that is the only question that matters.

We can not remain in this reduction. We have to move on. Life is mess and if it has value it will remain messy and full of entropy.

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Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country fionwe1987 - 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM 1092 Views
that is the trouble here Roland00 - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 302 Views
Your utter lack of comprehension means you will never evoke any sympathy from me on this Cannoli - 26/04/2022 12:42:54 PM 336 Views
"The party of "bodily autonomy"" Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM 259 Views
That is a perverts motte and bailey argument Roland00 - 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM 276 Views
The issue is abortion. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:39:00 PM 245 Views
Tell me your feelings about Lochner Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:53:00 PM 252 Views
Simple, it was wrongly decided. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:51:27 PM 223 Views
I think that is enough for the day Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:07:42 PM 230 Views
I honestly don't give a fig about the constitution here... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:00:57 PM 286 Views
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:42:51 PM 272 Views
Uhhh fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM 240 Views
I mean, yeah. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:58:19 PM 233 Views
You seem to be arguing with an alternate version of me... fionwe1987 - 27/04/2022 04:46:46 AM 266 Views
Broad popular support? Dragonsoul - 27/04/2022 04:54:49 PM 245 Views
Cannoli is not wrong. damookster - 26/04/2022 05:09:49 PM 294 Views
Cannoli is a contemptuous moron fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 06:56:33 PM 253 Views
I am contemptuous of you (and I suspect your vocabulary skills) Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:30:55 PM 286 Views
Was the Catholic Church EVIL . Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:01:50 PM 274 Views
As a general rule... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:06:24 PM 241 Views
Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:32:33 PM 490 Views
The people who feel righteousness and can not acknowledge ambiguity well this kingdom will be theres Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:34:10 PM 245 Views
Roland, I am neither supporting nor denying any specific theology in my original comment. damookster - 26/04/2022 08:28:31 PM 235 Views
And I am problematizing your claim Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM 242 Views
hence, I introduced the problematic existence of exceptions to the law. *NM* damookster - 26/04/2022 08:54:02 PM 154 Views
Theodicy Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 290 Views
Re: Theodicy Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:45:35 PM 251 Views
and yet... damookster - 26/04/2022 10:35:58 PM 279 Views
What is the Andrea Dworkin line again? Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:06:30 PM 254 Views
You're correct about that. We are most assuredly talking past one another. damookster - 26/04/2022 11:39:01 PM 229 Views
Have not had a drink yet. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:46:59 PM 235 Views
I'd say about the same as covering up the child abuse issues. Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:41:21 PM 288 Views
Pope Sixtus V In the 1580s is when abortion became a top down / pope and council issue. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 10:56:23 PM 291 Views
Leaked draft opinion Jeordam - 03/05/2022 06:42:20 PM 294 Views
John Roberts confirms it is real Roland00 - 03/05/2022 07:37:26 PM 264 Views
Results were leaked, not opinions. Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 08:02:10 PM 250 Views
If you want to parse the history you are welcome to do so. Roland00 - 03/05/2022 08:32:06 PM 249 Views
You're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 09:26:49 PM 253 Views
There's a very simple alternate reason fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:36:26 AM 255 Views
“Wants to get the word out there ASAP” Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 02:02:00 PM 227 Views
Re: “Wants to get the word out there ASAP” fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:18:24 PM 252 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:04:07 PM 261 Views
Re: He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:01:43 PM 218 Views
Don't blame me for your failures. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:21:48 PM 201 Views
Leaking also kind of locks in the 5 justices into a more radical decision Roland00 - 05/05/2022 04:08:58 PM 228 Views
Precisely. fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:22:16 PM 204 Views
Obvious intent my ass fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:32:10 AM 228 Views
Treasonous Pieces of Junk Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 01:58:23 PM 254 Views
I cannot commit treason fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:20:20 PM 239 Views
Neither am I. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:02:54 PM 251 Views
Projecting what? fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:02:59 PM 233 Views
Is this a parody account? Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:25:39 PM 231 Views
Nope. TyrReborn - 12/05/2022 10:23:24 PM 224 Views
Well, if it's not a parody... Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:46:45 PM 222 Views
Go look up what it means to “project” fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:04:19 PM 237 Views
Stop shifting the goalposts Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:45:21 PM 229 Views
There is no goalpost shifting fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:48:18 PM 246 Views
Parody Account: Hypocrite, or Just Stupid? Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:26:49 PM 242 Views
actually, Trump was impeached damookster - 05/05/2022 02:05:16 PM 230 Views
By Democrats and a few Republicans fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:21:38 PM 246 Views
you wrote: damookster - 06/05/2022 09:34:09 PM 200 Views
Ummm fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:42:57 PM 215 Views
Interesting is one word for it... fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:38:23 AM 224 Views
That's your thought.... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 05:34:21 PM 261 Views
Hardly just mine fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:23:32 PM 201 Views
Interesting... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 10:33:56 PM 252 Views
Roe has restrictions fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM 215 Views
So popular opinion is what decides recognition of life... entyti - 06/05/2022 10:44:08 PM 241 Views
Nice try fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM 199 Views
No one said that, and you know it... entyti - 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM 221 Views
Well that's a lot of empty noise fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 02:46:48 PM 224 Views
Then stop listening to yourself… entyti - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM 262 Views
Serious reading comprehension fail here... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:01:28 PM 229 Views
Not reading comprehension. Thinking comprehension... and it's not on my account entyti - 09/05/2022 11:04:57 PM 239 Views
That is the Catholic Church's position after 1869, but lets do Idaho and LA Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:08:39 PM 231 Views
And the Minoans practiced child sacrifice... entyti - 09/05/2022 11:51:44 PM 217 Views
So we are in agreement if we circle around Roland00 - 10/05/2022 02:34:19 AM 207 Views
Well, we agree it will get worse entyti - 10/05/2022 04:05:33 PM 230 Views
Thanks for explaining why Roe was egregiously wrong. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:56:52 PM 201 Views
Roe imposed nothing fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:05:36 PM 232 Views
Actually, it does impose Jeordam - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM 312 Views
Re: Actually, it does impose fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:09:04 PM 223 Views
Roe imposed abortion on states that banned it. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:26:56 PM 241 Views
States rights do not trump individual rights fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:12:13 PM 229 Views
States rights regulate individual rights Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:42:52 PM 247 Views
I am not allowed to get divorced in my state of Texas if my spouse is pregnant. Roland00 - 15/05/2022 07:59:19 PM 249 Views
Cool Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:10:57 AM 243 Views
So our state energy grid Roland00 - 16/05/2022 01:41:50 AM 235 Views
Wow, not sure I've seen you so angry before gban007 - 16/05/2022 08:12:58 AM 257 Views
Sadomasochism, aka cruelty has been the norm of Texas for a long time. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 05:56:26 PM 197 Views
Are you off your meds? Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:35:18 PM 216 Views
I live in the world the US set up Internment Camps in living memory, I known survivors. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 06:00:07 PM 225 Views
You're literally arguing with yourself. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:00:37 PM 225 Views
That is precisely what I am afraid of Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:07:41 PM 202 Views
That can literally be flipped right on to the other side. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:19:02 PM 222 Views
Just a reminder freedom of movement is not in the US Constitution Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:25:42 PM 230 Views
Again, you put words into my mouth that I've never said. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:32:38 PM 223 Views
Who the fuck cares? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:54:48 PM 254 Views
Parody account strikes back! Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:14:24 PM 204 Views
a few final thoughts damookster - 07/05/2022 07:18:38 PM 302 Views
In some ways, it probably would've been better if Roe v Wade had never happened. Legolas - 07/05/2022 08:20:17 PM 266 Views
I can always count on you for rational discussion. *NM* damookster - 07/05/2022 09:19:57 PM 179 Views
He really is wonderful. The Shrike - 09/05/2022 04:29:00 PM 252 Views
Let me join in. Yes. Legolas is good people. *NM* aerocontrols - 10/05/2022 02:52:37 PM 134 Views
It did happen though, sorry if I problematize your fantasy you are transversing Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:35:12 PM 223 Views
Uh, it wasn't a fantasy... and you didn't problematize it so much as made some vague reflections? *NM* Legolas - 08/05/2022 12:37:23 AM 142 Views
Alternate histories are always fantasies *NM* Roland00 - 08/05/2022 01:03:48 AM 131 Views
History and Histrionic or perhaps Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM 241 Views
The denominational distinctions within Christiandom aren't of concern to me... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:09:12 PM 338 Views
There is an easy answer for you. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 249 Views
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