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Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. Roland00 Send a noteboard - 26/04/2022 07:32:33 PM

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I would advise against expecting moral consistency from what we can call the "fetus is a human" crowd. Because all life is sacred when there's political hay to be made, but these sacred lives can be executed, enslaved, starved, lynched or denied any number of fundamental rights when it's expedient.

All humans are hypocrites and contain tensions / psychodynamics.

No matter what there will be excess here on this issue, and there will also be corresponding loss at the same time. That is part of being human much like being a hypocrite is. You are getting excess joy / jouissance in French by calling people hypocrites.

Solomon understood this per a myth, who wants to shoulder the burden, costs, and loss should be the one who decides. That is the only ethical choice, but even then there will be loss and excess.

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Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country fionwe1987 - 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM 1115 Views
that is the trouble here Roland00 - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 328 Views
Your utter lack of comprehension means you will never evoke any sympathy from me on this Cannoli - 26/04/2022 12:42:54 PM 361 Views
"The party of "bodily autonomy"" Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM 283 Views
That is a perverts motte and bailey argument Roland00 - 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM 299 Views
The issue is abortion. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:39:00 PM 271 Views
Tell me your feelings about Lochner Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:53:00 PM 275 Views
Simple, it was wrongly decided. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:51:27 PM 248 Views
I think that is enough for the day Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:07:42 PM 258 Views
I honestly don't give a fig about the constitution here... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:00:57 PM 306 Views
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:42:51 PM 298 Views
Uhhh fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM 261 Views
I mean, yeah. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:58:19 PM 261 Views
You seem to be arguing with an alternate version of me... fionwe1987 - 27/04/2022 04:46:46 AM 299 Views
Broad popular support? Dragonsoul - 27/04/2022 04:54:49 PM 272 Views
Cannoli is not wrong. damookster - 26/04/2022 05:09:49 PM 327 Views
Cannoli is a contemptuous moron fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 06:56:33 PM 280 Views
I am contemptuous of you (and I suspect your vocabulary skills) Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:30:55 PM 320 Views
Was the Catholic Church EVIL . Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:01:50 PM 297 Views
As a general rule... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:06:24 PM 271 Views
Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:32:33 PM 515 Views
The people who feel righteousness and can not acknowledge ambiguity well this kingdom will be theres Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:34:10 PM 268 Views
Roland, I am neither supporting nor denying any specific theology in my original comment. damookster - 26/04/2022 08:28:31 PM 256 Views
And I am problematizing your claim Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM 267 Views
hence, I introduced the problematic existence of exceptions to the law. *NM* damookster - 26/04/2022 08:54:02 PM 168 Views
Theodicy Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 314 Views
Re: Theodicy Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:45:35 PM 278 Views
and yet... damookster - 26/04/2022 10:35:58 PM 305 Views
What is the Andrea Dworkin line again? Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:06:30 PM 281 Views
You're correct about that. We are most assuredly talking past one another. damookster - 26/04/2022 11:39:01 PM 258 Views
Have not had a drink yet. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:46:59 PM 262 Views
I'd say about the same as covering up the child abuse issues. Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:41:21 PM 311 Views
Pope Sixtus V In the 1580s is when abortion became a top down / pope and council issue. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 10:56:23 PM 325 Views
Leaked draft opinion Jeordam - 03/05/2022 06:42:20 PM 321 Views
John Roberts confirms it is real Roland00 - 03/05/2022 07:37:26 PM 290 Views
Results were leaked, not opinions. Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 08:02:10 PM 267 Views
If you want to parse the history you are welcome to do so. Roland00 - 03/05/2022 08:32:06 PM 274 Views
You're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 09:26:49 PM 282 Views
There's a very simple alternate reason fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:36:26 AM 279 Views
“Wants to get the word out there ASAP” Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 02:02:00 PM 248 Views
Re: “Wants to get the word out there ASAP” fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:18:24 PM 284 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:04:07 PM 286 Views
Re: He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:01:43 PM 237 Views
Don't blame me for your failures. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:21:48 PM 227 Views
Leaking also kind of locks in the 5 justices into a more radical decision Roland00 - 05/05/2022 04:08:58 PM 249 Views
Precisely. fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:22:16 PM 231 Views
Obvious intent my ass fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:32:10 AM 254 Views
Treasonous Pieces of Junk Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 01:58:23 PM 274 Views
I cannot commit treason fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:20:20 PM 266 Views
Neither am I. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:02:54 PM 275 Views
Projecting what? fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:02:59 PM 259 Views
Is this a parody account? Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:25:39 PM 255 Views
Nope. TyrReborn - 12/05/2022 10:23:24 PM 245 Views
Well, if it's not a parody... Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:46:45 PM 250 Views
Go look up what it means to “project” fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:04:19 PM 260 Views
Stop shifting the goalposts Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:45:21 PM 250 Views
There is no goalpost shifting fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:48:18 PM 273 Views
Parody Account: Hypocrite, or Just Stupid? Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:26:49 PM 273 Views
actually, Trump was impeached damookster - 05/05/2022 02:05:16 PM 262 Views
By Democrats and a few Republicans fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:21:38 PM 279 Views
you wrote: damookster - 06/05/2022 09:34:09 PM 228 Views
Ummm fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:42:57 PM 239 Views
Interesting is one word for it... fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:38:23 AM 251 Views
That's your thought.... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 05:34:21 PM 292 Views
Hardly just mine fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:23:32 PM 224 Views
Interesting... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 10:33:56 PM 279 Views
Roe has restrictions fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM 243 Views
So popular opinion is what decides recognition of life... entyti - 06/05/2022 10:44:08 PM 273 Views
Nice try fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM 225 Views
No one said that, and you know it... entyti - 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM 246 Views
Well that's a lot of empty noise fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 02:46:48 PM 248 Views
Then stop listening to yourself… entyti - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM 281 Views
Serious reading comprehension fail here... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:01:28 PM 253 Views
Not reading comprehension. Thinking comprehension... and it's not on my account entyti - 09/05/2022 11:04:57 PM 265 Views
That is the Catholic Church's position after 1869, but lets do Idaho and LA Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:08:39 PM 263 Views
And the Minoans practiced child sacrifice... entyti - 09/05/2022 11:51:44 PM 243 Views
So we are in agreement if we circle around Roland00 - 10/05/2022 02:34:19 AM 232 Views
Well, we agree it will get worse entyti - 10/05/2022 04:05:33 PM 256 Views
Thanks for explaining why Roe was egregiously wrong. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:56:52 PM 227 Views
Roe imposed nothing fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:05:36 PM 258 Views
Actually, it does impose Jeordam - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM 338 Views
Re: Actually, it does impose fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:09:04 PM 249 Views
Roe imposed abortion on states that banned it. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:26:56 PM 266 Views
States rights do not trump individual rights fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:12:13 PM 256 Views
States rights regulate individual rights Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:42:52 PM 270 Views
I am not allowed to get divorced in my state of Texas if my spouse is pregnant. Roland00 - 15/05/2022 07:59:19 PM 277 Views
Cool Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:10:57 AM 265 Views
So our state energy grid Roland00 - 16/05/2022 01:41:50 AM 259 Views
Wow, not sure I've seen you so angry before gban007 - 16/05/2022 08:12:58 AM 282 Views
Sadomasochism, aka cruelty has been the norm of Texas for a long time. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 05:56:26 PM 223 Views
Are you off your meds? Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:35:18 PM 235 Views
I live in the world the US set up Internment Camps in living memory, I known survivors. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 06:00:07 PM 250 Views
You're literally arguing with yourself. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:00:37 PM 257 Views
That is precisely what I am afraid of Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:07:41 PM 226 Views
That can literally be flipped right on to the other side. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:19:02 PM 246 Views
Just a reminder freedom of movement is not in the US Constitution Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:25:42 PM 255 Views
Again, you put words into my mouth that I've never said. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:32:38 PM 250 Views
Who the fuck cares? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:54:48 PM 280 Views
Parody account strikes back! Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:14:24 PM 229 Views
a few final thoughts damookster - 07/05/2022 07:18:38 PM 326 Views
In some ways, it probably would've been better if Roe v Wade had never happened. Legolas - 07/05/2022 08:20:17 PM 283 Views
I can always count on you for rational discussion. *NM* damookster - 07/05/2022 09:19:57 PM 188 Views
He really is wonderful. The Shrike - 09/05/2022 04:29:00 PM 277 Views
Let me join in. Yes. Legolas is good people. *NM* aerocontrols - 10/05/2022 02:52:37 PM 146 Views
It did happen though, sorry if I problematize your fantasy you are transversing Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:35:12 PM 247 Views
Uh, it wasn't a fantasy... and you didn't problematize it so much as made some vague reflections? *NM* Legolas - 08/05/2022 12:37:23 AM 153 Views
Alternate histories are always fantasies *NM* Roland00 - 08/05/2022 01:03:48 AM 141 Views
History and Histrionic or perhaps Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM 265 Views
The denominational distinctions within Christiandom aren't of concern to me... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:09:12 PM 364 Views
There is an easy answer for you. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 277 Views
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