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Was the Catholic Church EVIL . Roland00 Send a noteboard - 26/04/2022 07:01:50 PM

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The only abortion question that matters is whether the fetus is a human life. If it is, then terminating it is homicide and subject to the same rigor as any other to determine whether justified or not.

If it isn’t a life then abortion is elective surgery.

Bottom line.


Was the Catholic Church EVIL when it permitted* (did not excommunicate) women who had abortions prior to the 3.5 to 4.25 months of pregnancy (the Quickening)

You stated this is the only abortion question that matters, so please answer the question! Did those women and by extension the church do a mortal sin equivalent to homicide?

*this has not always been the case, depends on the time and place. The world is messy, it was never Eternal. The logic of the church has changed several times, and even when the Church is against abortion in all cases it uses different underlying logics to justify this decision in different times and places.

Come on please say it, EVIL or Not Evil?

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Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country fionwe1987 - 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM 1080 Views
that is the trouble here Roland00 - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 292 Views
Your utter lack of comprehension means you will never evoke any sympathy from me on this Cannoli - 26/04/2022 12:42:54 PM 325 Views
"The party of "bodily autonomy"" Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM 250 Views
That is a perverts motte and bailey argument Roland00 - 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM 265 Views
The issue is abortion. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:39:00 PM 233 Views
Tell me your feelings about Lochner Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:53:00 PM 243 Views
Simple, it was wrongly decided. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:51:27 PM 215 Views
I think that is enough for the day Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:07:42 PM 222 Views
I honestly don't give a fig about the constitution here... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:00:57 PM 279 Views
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:42:51 PM 265 Views
Uhhh fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM 232 Views
I mean, yeah. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:58:19 PM 223 Views
You seem to be arguing with an alternate version of me... fionwe1987 - 27/04/2022 04:46:46 AM 257 Views
Broad popular support? Dragonsoul - 27/04/2022 04:54:49 PM 236 Views
Cannoli is not wrong. damookster - 26/04/2022 05:09:49 PM 270 Views
Cannoli is a contemptuous moron fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 06:56:33 PM 245 Views
I am contemptuous of you (and I suspect your vocabulary skills) Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:30:55 PM 279 Views
Was the Catholic Church EVIL . Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:01:50 PM 263 Views
As a general rule... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:06:24 PM 233 Views
Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:32:33 PM 481 Views
The people who feel righteousness and can not acknowledge ambiguity well this kingdom will be theres Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:34:10 PM 237 Views
Roland, I am neither supporting nor denying any specific theology in my original comment. damookster - 26/04/2022 08:28:31 PM 224 Views
And I am problematizing your claim Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM 234 Views
hence, I introduced the problematic existence of exceptions to the law. *NM* damookster - 26/04/2022 08:54:02 PM 151 Views
Theodicy Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 275 Views
Re: Theodicy Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:45:35 PM 241 Views
and yet... damookster - 26/04/2022 10:35:58 PM 271 Views
What is the Andrea Dworkin line again? Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:06:30 PM 243 Views
You're correct about that. We are most assuredly talking past one another. damookster - 26/04/2022 11:39:01 PM 220 Views
Have not had a drink yet. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:46:59 PM 228 Views
I'd say about the same as covering up the child abuse issues. Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:41:21 PM 279 Views
Pope Sixtus V In the 1580s is when abortion became a top down / pope and council issue. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 10:56:23 PM 282 Views
Leaked draft opinion Jeordam - 03/05/2022 06:42:20 PM 283 Views
John Roberts confirms it is real Roland00 - 03/05/2022 07:37:26 PM 255 Views
Results were leaked, not opinions. Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 08:02:10 PM 238 Views
If you want to parse the history you are welcome to do so. Roland00 - 03/05/2022 08:32:06 PM 238 Views
You're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 09:26:49 PM 246 Views
There's a very simple alternate reason fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:36:26 AM 240 Views
“Wants to get the word out there ASAP” Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 02:02:00 PM 218 Views
Re: “Wants to get the word out there ASAP” fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:18:24 PM 245 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:04:07 PM 238 Views
Re: He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:01:43 PM 208 Views
Don't blame me for your failures. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:21:48 PM 193 Views
Leaking also kind of locks in the 5 justices into a more radical decision Roland00 - 05/05/2022 04:08:58 PM 221 Views
Precisely. fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:22:16 PM 196 Views
Obvious intent my ass fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:32:10 AM 218 Views
Treasonous Pieces of Junk Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 01:58:23 PM 249 Views
I cannot commit treason fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:20:20 PM 226 Views
Neither am I. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:02:54 PM 239 Views
Projecting what? fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:02:59 PM 225 Views
Is this a parody account? Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:25:39 PM 224 Views
Nope. TyrReborn - 12/05/2022 10:23:24 PM 214 Views
Well, if it's not a parody... Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:46:45 PM 213 Views
Go look up what it means to “project” fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:04:19 PM 227 Views
Stop shifting the goalposts Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:45:21 PM 220 Views
There is no goalpost shifting fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:48:18 PM 239 Views
Parody Account: Hypocrite, or Just Stupid? Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:26:49 PM 232 Views
actually, Trump was impeached damookster - 05/05/2022 02:05:16 PM 219 Views
By Democrats and a few Republicans fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:21:38 PM 236 Views
you wrote: damookster - 06/05/2022 09:34:09 PM 189 Views
Ummm fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:42:57 PM 205 Views
Interesting is one word for it... fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:38:23 AM 216 Views
That's your thought.... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 05:34:21 PM 246 Views
Hardly just mine fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:23:32 PM 193 Views
Interesting... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 10:33:56 PM 245 Views
Roe has restrictions fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM 203 Views
So popular opinion is what decides recognition of life... entyti - 06/05/2022 10:44:08 PM 232 Views
Nice try fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM 187 Views
No one said that, and you know it... entyti - 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM 215 Views
Well that's a lot of empty noise fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 02:46:48 PM 214 Views
Then stop listening to yourself… entyti - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM 254 Views
Serious reading comprehension fail here... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:01:28 PM 218 Views
Not reading comprehension. Thinking comprehension... and it's not on my account entyti - 09/05/2022 11:04:57 PM 229 Views
That is the Catholic Church's position after 1869, but lets do Idaho and LA Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:08:39 PM 224 Views
And the Minoans practiced child sacrifice... entyti - 09/05/2022 11:51:44 PM 209 Views
So we are in agreement if we circle around Roland00 - 10/05/2022 02:34:19 AM 196 Views
Well, we agree it will get worse entyti - 10/05/2022 04:05:33 PM 219 Views
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Roe imposed nothing fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:05:36 PM 213 Views
Actually, it does impose Jeordam - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM 300 Views
Re: Actually, it does impose fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:09:04 PM 215 Views
Roe imposed abortion on states that banned it. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:26:56 PM 235 Views
States rights do not trump individual rights fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:12:13 PM 218 Views
States rights regulate individual rights Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:42:52 PM 240 Views
I am not allowed to get divorced in my state of Texas if my spouse is pregnant. Roland00 - 15/05/2022 07:59:19 PM 238 Views
Cool Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:10:57 AM 234 Views
So our state energy grid Roland00 - 16/05/2022 01:41:50 AM 224 Views
Wow, not sure I've seen you so angry before gban007 - 16/05/2022 08:12:58 AM 248 Views
Sadomasochism, aka cruelty has been the norm of Texas for a long time. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 05:56:26 PM 189 Views
Are you off your meds? Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:35:18 PM 206 Views
I live in the world the US set up Internment Camps in living memory, I known survivors. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 06:00:07 PM 215 Views
You're literally arguing with yourself. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:00:37 PM 205 Views
That is precisely what I am afraid of Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:07:41 PM 195 Views
That can literally be flipped right on to the other side. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:19:02 PM 210 Views
Just a reminder freedom of movement is not in the US Constitution Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:25:42 PM 217 Views
Again, you put words into my mouth that I've never said. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:32:38 PM 212 Views
Who the fuck cares? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:54:48 PM 244 Views
Parody account strikes back! Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:14:24 PM 193 Views
a few final thoughts damookster - 07/05/2022 07:18:38 PM 290 Views
In some ways, it probably would've been better if Roe v Wade had never happened. Legolas - 07/05/2022 08:20:17 PM 252 Views
I can always count on you for rational discussion. *NM* damookster - 07/05/2022 09:19:57 PM 174 Views
He really is wonderful. The Shrike - 09/05/2022 04:29:00 PM 235 Views
Let me join in. Yes. Legolas is good people. *NM* aerocontrols - 10/05/2022 02:52:37 PM 132 Views
It did happen though, sorry if I problematize your fantasy you are transversing Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:35:12 PM 213 Views
Uh, it wasn't a fantasy... and you didn't problematize it so much as made some vague reflections? *NM* Legolas - 08/05/2022 12:37:23 AM 137 Views
Alternate histories are always fantasies *NM* Roland00 - 08/05/2022 01:03:48 AM 124 Views
History and Histrionic or perhaps Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM 227 Views
The denominational distinctions within Christiandom aren't of concern to me... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:09:12 PM 326 Views
There is an easy answer for you. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 238 Views
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