Why did you invoke a long dead Senator then I am asking earnestly for I was confused by that (it felt like you were changing the subject, but that is me inferring and I am curious)

Sidenote I read enough Sullivan work (no more, no more! he says one thing and does another, constant disavow and at war with himself) ... over the last 15 years that it was my first guest prior to the google.

I do still read Matthew Sitman (one of his former interns, now editor at Catholic "Commonweal"

Have you listened to Know Your Enemy podcast? It is a deep dive show that Sitman does with a Red diaper baby Sam Adler-Bell (this is an exaggeration that Sam sometimes does and it s not literally his life experience.)