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Executing members of Congress to achieve your political goals? Damn right it is! fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 19/01/2021 07:48:25 PM

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No, right, I get that, but again; what does that have to do with Trump entreating a mob to assault the Capitol? And yes, I know you're fionwe, not entyti, but my point still stands. It is by no means double-think to say #1. Donald Trump had the election stolen from him. and #2. Donald Trump entreated a mob to assault the Capitol.


How are these two not related? Would the mob have followed his entreaty if they hadn't been fed this apocalyptic story about the election being stolen?
Those two things are inextricable linked. Each is part of the means Trump incited the violence on that day.
Donald Trump is inextricably tied to both issues, sure, but they're still different issues.

They are not. This is like saying a murderer lifting a gun, and then shooting his victim, are different issues.
This tying literally everything about the man together into one whole thing does nothing but make the issue worse.

Not that that is what's going on here, but why? Why are we supposed to look at him piece-meal? How we judge literally everyone else is by the sum total of their actions. Why does Donald Trump get the special treatment of hermetically sealing his different behaviors in how you judge each of them?
Whatever your beliefs about the legitimacy of the election should have no bearing on the fact that Donald Trump entreated a mob to assault the Capitol.

Of course they do. If you think the election was legitimately stolen, you'd be open to a lot more action than if not. Motives and goals inform actions. They're crucial context for judging actions. You can't condemn the violence in the Capitol without condemning the lies that gave rise to that violence.

Uh, I'm not entirely certain you meant this to me? I'm in no way trying to excise Trump from any of this, I agree the mob that attacked the Capitol was an armed mob who Trump himself summoned for reasons Trump himself made up apparently wholecloth, and I'm way past being done with Trump's shit. So again, was this paragraph even intended for me?

Umm.. yes? You keep trying to say that the truth or falsehood of his elections claims don't matter. Then you have this paragraph that indicates otherwise. Which one is it?

If force is not on the table when it comes to the government, the government can exercise force without repercussion.

That's not even remotely true. Governments are subject to any number of checks and balances that do not involve force. Heck, foreign governments exercising colonial rule have been excised predominently on the strength of non-violent resistance multiple times, so its batshit insane to make a claim of this nature.
I am in no way encouraging an armed uprising against the government.

Then what the fuck does this mean?

I don't either, but dragging out and executing Congress was never going to be bloodless. Now, however, anyone who tries it will have to fight through a rapidly-militarizing district, into a heavily-fortified building. What could have been accomplished with ~500 dead and a newly elected Congress will now require a multi-day battle and thousands of casualties.


What I am saying is that, if an armed uprising ever were required against the government, the changes being made, as a result of Donald Trump's actions in entreating a mob to attack the Capitol, will result in an even more bloody outcome than would have been necessary.

Yeah, that's encouragement. If you don't want it to be harder to execute members of Congress by mob violence, decrying measures to prevent that makes no sense.
It's not a joke, it's not justification, it's neither encouragement nor self-pity or anything remotely resembling a plan, it's reality. And reality is sometimes bloody. And now, thanks to Donald Trump, that possible reality will be even more bloody.

This is about as nonsensical a statement as is possible, if you're not "encouraging an armed uprising against the government".
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