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Why must money solve "all" issues? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 15/06/2020 11:32:05 PM

I know of no fine or monetary reparation for other crimes that needs to pass this test of solving "all" issues.


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Is that what this whole thing is about? Would handing money out fix all of these issues? Let's say that money was given to every decedent of those who were slaves....that would make the issues we are seeing go away? I'm not being passive/aggressive in asking this. I'm honestly thinking if you believe money is the issue here.

It is <I>an</I> issue. Does that not suffice?
I've been observing the fact that money is an excuse, but not the actual issue. The actual issue is far deeper and has much more to do with individual beliefs, rather than a system structured with discrimination.

On what basis do you conclude it is an "excuse"?

Beyond that, I think it is ludicrous to act like individual belief and systems structured with discrimination are somehow mutually exclusive. They are not.


I'd be all for having a discussion about reparations, but I'm pretty positive that money is not going to solve this issue.

~Jeordam



No one is claiming it will. I am merely pointing out it is hypocritical to ask people whose wealth was stolen for generations to respect laws about property and goods, when the same set of laws doesn't see fit to give them recompense for the very well documented theft that went on for hundreds of years. And not only that, continues to steal wealth from them, by incarcerating them at higher rates, refusing government insurance of home loans for them, and only them, refusing to prosecute people who destroy their wealth and property, targeting their neighborhoods for demolitions when new highways and public transit is to be built.

The last set of issues aren't hundreds of years old but issues of the 20th and 21st century. So you tell me: why, when this kind of systemic looting against their community has been given legal cover for centuries, should African Americans give two hoots about the law?

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