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I'm uncertain if this is what Ghavrel meant, but I'd assume you don't need proof that slavery... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 15/06/2020 07:59:07 PM

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How does one determine that their wealth is "stolen"? Another question is by what measurement was that determination made from? And yet another question is who are you to make that determination?

~Jeordam


...caused wealth to be stolen? Every slave who earned no or very limited wages contributed to the economy of this country and was denied fair compensation for the economic value their brought in, no?

When they were never compensated for multiple generations of such theft, why would the descendents of those slaves be obliged to respect and refrain from harming the property of those who still continue to disproportionately enjoy the fruits of that theft?

It is one thing to ask for that respect while also insisting on and working to correct the impacts of that theft, either by fighting for reparations or other economic compensatory mechanisms.

But Cannoli has stated that such asks are nonsensical. He represents the very system that insists that it is okay to steal away people from another continent, make them and their descendents work for generations with no compensation, then turns around and insists their descendents respect property and goods today.

He has no moral standing for his case.

Unsure if that is what Ghavrel meant.

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I'm curious. damookster - 08/06/2020 06:59:18 PM 1131 Views
Knowledge is always uncertain, there will always be under and overreactions. Roland00 - 08/06/2020 07:06:35 PM 356 Views
I would expect so, yes. *NM* Legolas - 08/06/2020 08:00:59 PM 192 Views
That yes is for which question? Or is it for both? *NM* damookster - 08/06/2020 08:23:06 PM 195 Views
The first one. Otherwise I'd have said no and yes. *NM* Legolas - 08/06/2020 09:19:48 PM 188 Views
Yes, I believe we will... fionwe1987 - 08/06/2020 10:15:30 PM 387 Views
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Because I care about my fellow human being, cockroach. Go infest somewhere else. I'm done with you. *NM* fionwe1987 - 09/06/2020 08:35:42 PM 201 Views
Except you don't. You really, REALLY want this disease to be worse than it is. Cannoli - 12/06/2020 11:06:50 AM 395 Views
Sure. Anyone who disagrees with you wants mass poverty or mass death. No other possibility exists... fionwe1987 - 12/06/2020 02:44:08 PM 381 Views
Fionwe same as other alt-left crazies Nargs - 16/06/2020 05:24:12 PM 416 Views
I dunno what's "alt" about it. We're the mainstream. Which must scare you fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 06:06:44 PM 370 Views
Dissonance Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:02:08 PM 367 Views
Do you think it's possible to disagree, even vehemently damookster - 16/06/2020 08:14:50 PM 410 Views
I'm sure it is, in some conditions. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 09:43:50 PM 395 Views
I am not a middle aged white man. I'm an old white man. damookster - 16/06/2020 06:15:52 PM 409 Views
Evidence is not on your side, damook *NM* Nargs - 16/06/2020 07:27:39 PM 202 Views
Much like... Jeordam - 16/06/2020 07:34:14 PM 424 Views
Statistically Insignificant Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:07:03 PM 362 Views
Stats don't tell the whole story. damookster - 16/06/2020 08:06:17 PM 352 Views
You're right but on race? Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:08:40 PM 396 Views
Yes, you're right. damookster - 16/06/2020 08:17:04 PM 354 Views
You realize that's not a contradiction, right? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 09:49:56 PM 386 Views
A few points gban007 - 17/06/2020 09:29:15 PM 374 Views
I wasn't going to say it but... Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:17:57 PM 402 Views
Again: you really are a loathsome little ball of slime. Ghavrel - 10/06/2020 02:11:52 AM 363 Views
It's not my world, it's theirs. Cannoli - 12/06/2020 11:13:14 AM 393 Views
Burning down corporate stores and taking their stolen wealth is a moral good. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/06/2020 12:04:52 AM 203 Views
Stolen Wealth? Jeordam - 15/06/2020 04:50:59 PM 390 Views
How does one determine what is Original Sin? Roland00 - 15/06/2020 05:17:37 PM 380 Views
So then.... Jeordam - 15/06/2020 09:59:31 PM 371 Views
I'm uncertain if this is what Ghavrel meant, but I'd assume you don't need proof that slavery... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2020 07:59:07 PM 367 Views
So we're talking about reparations....? Jeordam - 15/06/2020 09:42:37 PM 381 Views
Why must money solve "all" issues? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2020 11:32:05 PM 357 Views
So then money won't... Jeordam - 16/06/2020 06:09:24 PM 365 Views
fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 06:29:59 PM 372 Views
Those aren't codified examples Jeordam - 16/06/2020 07:31:49 PM 368 Views
Well that's some special nonsense fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 09:55:42 PM 378 Views
We're having a discussion...please try and not denigrate me. Jeordam - 17/06/2020 05:26:36 PM 362 Views
But I didn't clearly state I want to denigrate you. You're inferring intent. How's that ok? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 06:06:28 PM 366 Views
Pain and Death they *actively* choose... Jeordam - 17/06/2020 06:39:13 PM 391 Views
They make no such choice. Which is why they're out there protesting fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 07:00:25 PM 415 Views
Sigh Roland00 - 16/06/2020 08:15:12 PM 349 Views
Nah I just straight up think capitalism is evil. Reparations should be paid, though. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 09:22:46 AM 178 Views
Fair enough. *NM* fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 02:54:11 PM 178 Views
aaah... Jeordam - 16/06/2020 06:10:16 PM 379 Views
Re: Stolen Wealth? Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 09:21:32 AM 343 Views
Rather it should be The State? *NM* damookster - 16/06/2020 12:10:59 PM 178 Views
What is "the State" fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 02:57:34 PM 347 Views
my comment was directed to Ghavrel. damookster - 16/06/2020 04:49:39 PM 353 Views
You shouldn't make assumptions... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 06:10:02 PM 357 Views
Lemme tell you about this cool thing called syndicalism... *NM* Ghavrel - 17/06/2020 06:46:38 AM 190 Views
There's a lot I like about that... *NM* fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 06:07:47 PM 165 Views
Syndicalisme révolutionnaire, peut-être? *NM* damookster - 17/06/2020 06:29:00 PM 162 Views
I'm actually still a reformist, believe it or not. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:29:18 PM 178 Views
Bah *NM* damookster - 18/06/2020 03:36:20 PM 162 Views
I been thinking about the different religious sects of Himboism, suddenly ... Roland00 - 29/06/2020 01:30:09 AM 340 Views
The only state with legitimacy is the Kingdom of Heaven. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 08:57:26 PM 170 Views
Are we talking about the Mormon Sect? Roland00 - 16/06/2020 09:06:14 PM 338 Views
My bad damookster - 16/06/2020 10:20:14 PM 367 Views
In fairness, I usually talk policy goals as a social democrat. Ghavrel - 17/06/2020 12:34:45 AM 353 Views
They The Shrike - 17/06/2020 06:29:35 PM 379 Views
damookster - 17/06/2020 06:40:30 PM 390 Views
I go by she and her, but thank you. <3 *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:45:46 PM 191 Views
I try to be very sensitive to this. damookster - 18/06/2020 03:55:01 PM 385 Views
It means a great deal to me. I can't overstate how much it means to your grandson. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 04:04:53 PM 207 Views
Catholicism by itself is a Performance Arts Piece Roland00 - 18/06/2020 01:17:45 AM 357 Views
A Catholic?! What?! I'm an Episcopalian. Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:45:24 PM 401 Views
No thanks. Not into non-democracies. *NM* The Shrike - 17/06/2020 06:26:29 PM 175 Views
Ah a fellow Devil's Party Member. *NM* Roland00 - 18/06/2020 01:13:37 AM 157 Views
I can empathize with this view, actually, though I no longer hold it. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:47:24 PM 188 Views
That's the debate, isn't it. Jeordam - 16/06/2020 06:16:10 PM 348 Views
Economists have been arguing this for over 400 years. Roland00 - 16/06/2020 08:22:57 PM 347 Views
You could let the market determine that, I guess. Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 08:56:23 PM 375 Views
Because we do not live in Paradise. Jeordam - 17/06/2020 05:36:58 PM 344 Views
Exactly. So the worker should own the means of production with other workers. Ghavrel - 17/06/2020 06:11:21 PM 351 Views
So my question then is.... Jeordam - 17/06/2020 06:46:11 PM 377 Views
Sigh...I just can't not. Roland00 - 18/06/2020 01:20:09 AM 332 Views
You know "talent" in the Bible is explictly referring to money, right? Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:43:11 PM 377 Views
Jesus also said it is easier for a camel to pass though a needle's eye... damookster - 18/06/2020 03:49:43 PM 342 Views
This is true! Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 04:04:16 PM 391 Views
Thou shalt not steal. *NM* The Shrike - 15/06/2020 11:10:34 PM 172 Views
"Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel." *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 09:19:26 AM 173 Views
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's" *NM* damookster - 16/06/2020 12:13:15 PM 153 Views
Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. *NM* The Shrike - 16/06/2020 12:15:04 PM 164 Views
"Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you..." *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 10:15:41 PM 180 Views
Is a concern of mine gban007 - 08/06/2020 10:16:09 PM 403 Views
A natural experiment fionwe1987 - 08/06/2020 10:42:34 PM 344 Views
Yes, we probably will. But demonstrators wearing masks are not normal life. Ghavrel - 09/06/2020 07:10:31 AM 384 Views
I'm not sure that's a valid comparison. damookster - 09/06/2020 05:57:31 PM 344 Views
Agreed. These aren't comparable situations. fionwe1987 - 09/06/2020 06:09:27 PM 359 Views
Down South that is called Communism Mookie. Roland00 - 09/06/2020 06:32:06 PM 347 Views
Alabama is down south, right? aerocontrols - 09/06/2020 10:08:15 PM 352 Views
I was comparing it to a control situation of no state action in response to SARS-CoV-2. Ghavrel - 10/06/2020 02:09:19 AM 358 Views
We have all the same rules here in Seattle Bad Ash - 10/06/2020 07:45:59 PM 367 Views
I figured you aerocontrols - 09/06/2020 10:09:36 PM 350 Views
About your original question... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 09:25:38 PM 375 Views
that is encouraging damookster - 17/06/2020 09:44:10 PM 380 Views
Re: that is encouraging fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 10:10:34 PM 358 Views
Seems indoors with strangers is more a predictor than outdoor protests. Roland00 - 27/06/2020 02:38:07 AM 442 Views
Tips, maybe? fionwe1987 - 27/06/2020 05:10:30 AM 394 Views
Perhaps Roland00 - 27/06/2020 10:19:39 PM 334 Views
A 315 city study, BLM protests did not cause a spike in COVID cases. Roland00 - 27/06/2020 10:19:05 PM 350 Views
Sigh, here is some bad news. Case Reports and a Lab study suggests COVID may cause type 1 diabetes Roland00 - 28/06/2020 06:11:45 AM 323 Views
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