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Almost like not having good government comes at a cost, huh? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 04/05/2020 03:19:02 PM

You are absolutely right... We're not the ones paying the costs of this lockdown, such as it is.

But you bring up, say, contractors not being able to claim unemployment. There's no real, physical reason, for this. This is a choice our government and society made.

Our unemployment system has outdated software and a clunky beaurocracy. This, too, was a choice.

Meanwhile, other nations with even more strict lockdowns have used their stronger government systems to ensure that the people who can least afford a lockdown aren't the ones paying the heaviest price.

You bring up the protestors who want states to open. If your post were the only thing I read, I'd assume these were mass protests by the working class, yet nothing could be further from the truth.

And the reason for that is simple. The restaurant workers, the hair stylists, the hospital and retail workers aren't out there protesting, because they get that their jobs can bring them in contact with the virus. They get why it's risky. They don't get why that means their government, which they elect and pay taxes to, has chosen to do so little for them.

Our choice is not, open the economy and suffer deaths, or keep it closed and let the people who cannot work remotely suffer. That's a false choice, and the vast majority of this country gets that, which is why those protests in Michigan and elsewhere are laughable.

You want something to blame? Blame the persistent strain of suspicion of government "handouts" in this country that has resulted in weakened, outdated beaurocracies that are unable to cope with the reality that the human-to-human contact required in a regular economy is now a potential death sentence. That is the result of a half century of choices that devalued investment in good governance.

If you think opening the economy will solve everything, ask yourself this: let's say the economy opens tomorrow. Will you visit restaurants, shop at malls and get your hair cut in a salon as per usual? Even if you will, do you think the rest of the country will, ignoring what they know can and will happen?

Those businesses that rely on human contact will suffer massively anyway. The basic human regulation of avoiding activity that can cause death will take care of that. The lockdown lets their employees claim unemployment, their owners to claim loans to keep their businesses afloat.

Both these things can be done better, don't get me wrong, but their imperfect implementation won't be solved by just throwing up our hands in frustration and just opening the economy.

Because by doing that, you're just replacing one injustice with another. The Silicon Valley types, you, me, and most others in the board who can work remotely will continue to do so. We'll get paid, and reduce our risk of contracting this virus.

But the workers who you talk about will be asked to go out and do their jobs, and thus increase their risk of getting the virus. Many of their jobs will be unable to pay anyway, since they won't get their regular clients to show up in usual numbers anyway. Even if they get paid in full, they're being forced now to either work while risking their lives, or not go to work, and get no support at all.

There's nothing fair about this virus, but what it has exposed is the fundamental unfairness of American society and the American economy. Neither a complete lockdown, nor an open economy is going to be fair to these workers. What will be fair is giving them a government that works for them.

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Safety at what cost? And who is paying for it? - 04/05/2020 01:51:07 PM 508 Views
Almost like not having good government comes at a cost, huh? - 04/05/2020 03:19:02 PM 258 Views
the Democrats and others on the American Left have never been friendly to small businesses - 04/05/2020 03:46:38 PM 234 Views
This may have been true at some point... - 04/05/2020 04:49:41 PM 208 Views
yes, we will see. - 04/05/2020 05:54:26 PM 227 Views
Yes, it is worse in India, and even worse in other places - 04/05/2020 06:43:39 PM 225 Views
The death rate is not a fixed number *NM* - 05/05/2020 02:11:53 AM 90 Views
No shit. *NM* - 05/05/2020 02:18:49 AM 92 Views
I meant the rate of death if infected, is not a fixed number *NM* - 05/05/2020 02:19:48 AM 108 Views
Neither is the number of unemployed. *NM* - 05/05/2020 02:22:47 AM 107 Views
We have tools that can impact that number, we can not do so for the death rate. - 05/05/2020 02:34:19 AM 200 Views
My late wife’s sister and her husband are both self employed - 05/05/2020 03:07:46 AM 238 Views
But that is entirely a fixable failure of the system... - 05/05/2020 03:26:25 AM 224 Views
Oh please - 05/05/2020 04:01:34 AM 237 Views
Then I fail to see your point... - 05/05/2020 05:57:20 AM 212 Views
I am not going to play this game mookie. - 05/05/2020 03:29:52 AM 208 Views
NYC is a poorly run cruise ship and not an example of what could happen everywhere else. - 05/05/2020 03:54:13 AM 232 Views
That's some prime nonsense - 05/05/2020 05:58:45 AM 210 Views
Here’s the deal and the point my two repliers are missing. - 05/05/2020 04:29:36 AM 243 Views
We ban businesses and fields of the economy all the time. - 05/05/2020 04:41:33 AM 210 Views
Were freon and incandescent light bulbs banned by executive order without new legislation? - 05/05/2020 04:49:00 AM 211 Views
You can not always complain to the manager Mookie, sometimes there is no manager and we must act to - 05/05/2020 05:00:00 AM 235 Views
This is NOT Europe. - 05/05/2020 05:13:55 AM 215 Views
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I will have a go at responding as well - 06/05/2020 12:18:31 AM 373 Views

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