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Have you ever worked with the US government? Jeordam Send a noteboard - 12/02/2019 05:30:44 PM

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Is it really wasteful? I think that is just your moral intuition. How much of current US health care is run by the government via Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP, Veterans Department, and so on? Is these things inherently more wasteful than private insurance? Furthermore doesn't private insurance have a self selection phenomenon where they can choose the healthiest patients in the private market, or they do the employer market which is an larger risk pool. When you get to pick your customers it is easier to have a non efficient market when it comes to risk. Yes the 2010 Health Care Reform Bill made it harder to pick your customers but it still happens.

Furthermore why limit ourselves to the US perspective, there is private and public insurance of several dozen different countries outside of the United States?

It is wasteful. That is a fact. The amount of unnecessary processing and paperwork is extraordinary. The amount of wasted time is mind-breaking. Private insurance also needs to be worked on, but that is a separate topic. If it was Medicare for all, all you need is some good political bickering, and a good Shutdown...and everything gets worse than it was.

And why limit ourselves to the US perspective? Because we are the US. Other countries have other options, because that is them. We are not them. We can get some decent examples, but our culture, our government, our way of life, our values...each of these things is different.

~Jeordam

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Medicare for All - just add 36% points to your marginal tax rate -

Anonymous2000 - 11/02/2019 02:30:53 PM 1092 Views

That is just to cover the additional costs. damookster - 11/02/2019 03:36:23 PM 592 Views

Very good point! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 11/02/2019 04:07:17 PM 314 Views

But I heard we can just print some $1 Trillion coins and pay for it that way *NM* aerocontrols - 11/02/2019 03:38:01 PM 327 Views

All paid via Bitcoins!

Anonymous2000 - 11/02/2019 04:07:46 PM 561 Views

I can't even imagine... Jeordam - 11/02/2019 04:47:31 PM 607 Views

Agreed, it would destroy a lot of households. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2019 04:59:45 AM 355 Views

You realize this is a ridiculous comparison, right? Legolas - 11/02/2019 06:06:55 PM 779 Views

Eliminating my health insurance costs benefits my employer far more than me. damookster - 11/02/2019 06:34:44 PM 625 Views

I agree, it's not obvious where that money would go. Legolas - 11/02/2019 08:14:31 PM 614 Views

The Trump tax cuts put an extra $300 per month in my take-home pay. damookster - 11/02/2019 08:18:04 PM 582 Views

I was talking about the corporate tax reduction part. Legolas - 11/02/2019 08:39:08 PM 625 Views

So if they just took the money your employer is already paying... *NM* random thoughts - 11/02/2019 11:43:02 PM 326 Views

Mookie why can't I buy into Medicare, why do you get Medicare? Roland00 - 12/02/2019 12:47:42 AM 580 Views

I do not have Medicare even though I’m old enough to qualify. damookster - 12/02/2019 12:52:04 AM 556 Views

I repeat why can't I buy into Medicare? Roland00 - 12/02/2019 01:06:26 AM 551 Views

I liked Mike Tyson’s version. damookster - 12/02/2019 03:06:51 AM 583 Views

I never answered your question, did I? damookster - 13/02/2019 12:33:55 AM 561 Views

Buy in, he said. fionwe1987 - 13/02/2019 12:41:29 AM 559 Views

Less than private insurance? damookster - 13/02/2019 12:59:44 AM 563 Views

You are making assumptions here. Roland00 - 13/02/2019 01:27:12 AM 558 Views

You’re right, I am. damookster - 13/02/2019 02:08:02 AM 583 Views

Nothing wrong with that

Roland00 - 13/02/2019 03:18:40 AM 572 Views

I’m sorry Roland that your experiences have been so negative. damookster - 13/02/2019 03:33:20 AM 566 Views

by the way, I’m on my third dirty Cajun martini... damookster - 13/02/2019 03:41:51 AM 567 Views

It is probably good that I am broke right now Roland00 - 13/02/2019 04:21:37 AM 582 Views

It is. Come to Connecticut and I will buy you as many as you can handle. *NM* damookster - 13/02/2019 04:30:25 AM 310 Views

Yup... fionwe1987 - 13/02/2019 05:00:42 AM 563 Views

Yes , you are right damookster - 13/02/2019 05:16:07 AM 594 Views

I'll have to take your word for it... Jeordam - 11/02/2019 07:14:15 PM 598 Views

Fair enough. Legolas - 11/02/2019 08:22:13 PM 594 Views

*nods* Jeordam - 11/02/2019 10:16:12 PM 597 Views

Is it really wasteful? I think that is just your moral intuition. Roland00 - 12/02/2019 12:55:21 AM 546 Views

Have you ever worked with the US government? Jeordam - 12/02/2019 05:30:44 PM 597 Views

I can't import the paperwork and accounting software without importing their values?

Roland00 - 12/02/2019 06:08:07 PM 567 Views

As someone who writes technical documents and consults with software.... Jeordam - 12/02/2019 09:30:33 PM 567 Views

Too many cooks, thus we must remain with the Status Quo? *NM* Roland00 - 12/02/2019 10:06:32 PM 299 Views

On US government inefficiency... fionwe1987 - 13/02/2019 12:45:39 AM 588 Views

I agree with you. Jeordam - 13/02/2019 06:42:21 PM 536 Views

"why should i have to pay for something for someone else" asks man who uses public infrastructure moondog - 19/02/2019 10:17:31 PM 767 Views

You do realize that there is a difference... Jeordam - 20/02/2019 05:54:50 PM 564 Views

How is it ridiculous? Roland00 - 12/02/2019 12:45:40 AM 586 Views

how did you manage to become mayor of any place being so willfully stupid all the time? *NM* moondog - 19/02/2019 10:19:32 PM 492 Views

Re: Medicare for All - just add 36% points to your marginal tax rate -

Duke - 11/03/2019 04:13:54 AM 591 Views

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Is it really wasteful?  I think that is just your moral intuition.  How much of current US health care is run by the government via Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP, Veterans Department, and so on?  Is these things inherently more wasteful than private insurance?  Furthermore doesn't private insurance have a self selection phenomenon where they can choose the healthiest patients in the private market, or they do the employer market which is an larger risk pool.  When you get to pick your customers it is easier to have a non efficient market when it comes to risk. Yes the 2010 Health Care Reform Bill made it harder to pick your customers but it still happens.

Furthermore why limit ourselves to the US perspective, there is private and public insurance of several dozen different countries outside of the United States?
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It is wasteful.  That is a fact.  The amount of unnecessary processing and paperwork is extraordinary.  The amount of wasted time is mind-breaking.  Private insurance also needs to be worked on, but that is a separate topic.  If it was Medicare for all, all you need is some good political bickering, and a good Shutdown...and everything gets worse than it was.

And why limit ourselves to the US perspective?  Because we are the US.  Other countries have other options, because that is them.  We are not them.  We can get some decent examples, but our culture, our government, our way of life, our values...each of these things is different.

~Jeordam
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