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That's individuals policing speech, not society. Agregate individual action =/= collective action Cannoli Send a noteboard - 21/08/2018 04:25:23 PM


It isn't supposed to do so in any way involving government action, true, but even the most liberal of societies police speech. Meaning, you can say whatever you like, but there are and should be societal consequences. Make racist anti-Jewish rants? I'm not going to invite you to my parties.

Antisemitophobe! But, yeah, this is exactly how it goes and what is meant by freedom of association. Freedom of association is the only acceptable check on free speech. And it HAS to go both ways. Whether the freedom to disallow anti-semites OR Jews from your association. If you don't have to write "Happy Birthday Adolf Hitler" on a cake (and you shouldn't), you also don't have to put two groom or two bride figures on top of a wedding cake.
Nor will I patronize your business. As a potential employer, I might not hire you. To say that "freedom of speech" is somehow equal to "freedom from consequences for my speech" is ludicrous. A sufficiently liberal society would be reluctant to use such tools; confining it to only those who represent the most extreme and/or dangerous views. And shouldn't be used to silence those with "controversial" views, as you should have a right to "speak". But again, as with many things in life, you should have the freedom to do it, but are not free from the consequences.

Exactly. So long as the consequences are the result of individual choice, and not legislation or judicial action.

Cannoli
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However much of a hypocrite moondog is, the article, I feel, represents something else Cannoli - 16/08/2018 05:51:59 AM 436 Views
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Phobia fionwe1987 - 16/08/2018 10:55:05 PM 425 Views
You don't even understand oral sex? Cannoli - 17/08/2018 12:43:50 AM 424 Views
Get to a sex education class, won't you? Or at least, use Google fionwe1987 - 17/08/2018 05:29:25 AM 365 Views
I am a normal male person, who had conversations with other male people. Cannoli - 17/08/2018 08:25:48 AM 420 Views
Yes, yes, you're so male, your penis has a penis. We get it. fionwe1987 - 17/08/2018 04:13:09 PM 429 Views
Re: Yes, yes, you're so male, your penis has a penis. We get it. Cannoli - 19/08/2018 03:23:10 AM 435 Views
You are wrong about Cannoli. damookster - 17/08/2018 02:49:35 AM 437 Views
No fionwe1987 - 17/08/2018 05:41:22 AM 407 Views
Re: No Cannoli - 19/08/2018 03:29:15 AM 443 Views
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That would be the "receptive partner" in scientific terminology fionwe1987 - 17/08/2018 05:44:16 AM 391 Views
Fuck scientific terminology. It blows. Cannoli - 17/08/2018 08:26:16 AM 407 Views
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There's a pretty simple test, I think fionwe1987 - 17/08/2018 08:02:31 PM 404 Views
Once again...who are you to make that determination. Jeordam - 17/08/2018 09:54:41 PM 387 Views
*I* don't make the determination, liberal society did. fionwe1987 - 18/08/2018 12:02:22 AM 421 Views
So for clarity damookster - 18/08/2018 01:28:17 AM 412 Views
Yes! fionwe1987 - 18/08/2018 01:46:05 AM 412 Views
Who said I was surprised? damookster - 18/08/2018 02:10:46 AM 403 Views
Re: Who said I was surprised? fionwe1987 - 18/08/2018 02:32:41 AM 407 Views
Are you asking a serious question? damookster - 18/08/2018 02:45:03 AM 430 Views
Yes, I was fionwe1987 - 18/08/2018 01:59:48 PM 426 Views
"liberal" society does not police speech Cannoli - 19/08/2018 03:31:54 AM 425 Views
You don't need to protect speech everyone agrees with. *NM* Hieshyn - 19/08/2018 06:02:17 PM 267 Views
It most certainly *does* police speech. LiterateDog - 20/08/2018 03:01:32 PM 410 Views
But to follow up on that. LiterateDog - 20/08/2018 03:16:07 PM 403 Views
Well, that's why we didn't stop with the FIRST Amendment *NM* Cannoli - 21/08/2018 04:25:53 PM 212 Views
That's individuals policing speech, not society. Agregate individual action =/= collective action Cannoli - 21/08/2018 04:25:23 PM 432 Views
I completely agree. LiterateDog - 21/08/2018 04:35:38 PM 392 Views
heh, heh, heh damookster - 21/08/2018 05:00:32 PM 402 Views
Hump it like you mean it! LiterateDog - 21/08/2018 07:00:01 PM 432 Views
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About the casual part fionwe1987 - 16/08/2018 10:33:45 PM 386 Views
I don't think it's appropriate, but I think it's more about sexual shaming Tom - 16/08/2018 10:35:53 PM 465 Views
Precisely fionwe1987 - 16/08/2018 10:59:42 PM 419 Views
You are absolutely correct damookster - 17/08/2018 02:43:21 AM 412 Views
I, for one, am glad to see this topic go flaming. aerocontrols - 17/08/2018 05:16:55 PM 478 Views
Yes, it is a tool used by those who should "know better". LiterateDog - 20/08/2018 03:14:30 PM 387 Views
well said damookster - 20/08/2018 03:50:50 PM 437 Views
Sigh I foresee 7 days of homosexual prison jokes in the near future in media adjacent places Roland00 - 22/08/2018 04:42:23 AM 367 Views
I think our casual acceptance of rape as part of prison is a major moral failure random thoughts - 22/08/2018 03:41:38 PM 375 Views
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