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That's individuals policing speech, not society. Agregate individual action =/= collective action Cannoli Send a noteboard - 21/08/2018 04:25:23 PM


It isn't supposed to do so in any way involving government action, true, but even the most liberal of societies police speech. Meaning, you can say whatever you like, but there are and should be societal consequences. Make racist anti-Jewish rants? I'm not going to invite you to my parties.

Antisemitophobe! But, yeah, this is exactly how it goes and what is meant by freedom of association. Freedom of association is the only acceptable check on free speech. And it HAS to go both ways. Whether the freedom to disallow anti-semites OR Jews from your association. If you don't have to write "Happy Birthday Adolf Hitler" on a cake (and you shouldn't), you also don't have to put two groom or two bride figures on top of a wedding cake.
Nor will I patronize your business. As a potential employer, I might not hire you. To say that "freedom of speech" is somehow equal to "freedom from consequences for my speech" is ludicrous. A sufficiently liberal society would be reluctant to use such tools; confining it to only those who represent the most extreme and/or dangerous views. And shouldn't be used to silence those with "controversial" views, as you should have a right to "speak". But again, as with many things in life, you should have the freedom to do it, but are not free from the consequences.

Exactly. So long as the consequences are the result of individual choice, and not legislation or judicial action.

Cannoli
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However much of a hypocrite moondog is, the article, I feel, represents something else Cannoli - 16/08/2018 05:51:59 AM 510 Views
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Phobia fionwe1987 - 16/08/2018 10:55:05 PM 496 Views
You don't even understand oral sex? Cannoli - 17/08/2018 12:43:50 AM 482 Views
Get to a sex education class, won't you? Or at least, use Google fionwe1987 - 17/08/2018 05:29:25 AM 432 Views
I am a normal male person, who had conversations with other male people. Cannoli - 17/08/2018 08:25:48 AM 457 Views
Yes, yes, you're so male, your penis has a penis. We get it. fionwe1987 - 17/08/2018 04:13:09 PM 512 Views
Re: Yes, yes, you're so male, your penis has a penis. We get it. Cannoli - 19/08/2018 03:23:10 AM 502 Views
You are wrong about Cannoli. damookster - 17/08/2018 02:49:35 AM 495 Views
No fionwe1987 - 17/08/2018 05:41:22 AM 471 Views
Re: No Cannoli - 19/08/2018 03:29:15 AM 516 Views
Cannoli is right: "sucks" implies the active party in oral sex Tom - 17/08/2018 03:04:40 AM 580 Views
That would be the "receptive partner" in scientific terminology fionwe1987 - 17/08/2018 05:44:16 AM 463 Views
Fuck scientific terminology. It blows. Cannoli - 17/08/2018 08:26:16 AM 477 Views
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There's a pretty simple test, I think fionwe1987 - 17/08/2018 08:02:31 PM 468 Views
Once again...who are you to make that determination. Jeordam - 17/08/2018 09:54:41 PM 449 Views
*I* don't make the determination, liberal society did. fionwe1987 - 18/08/2018 12:02:22 AM 488 Views
So for clarity damookster - 18/08/2018 01:28:17 AM 484 Views
Yes! fionwe1987 - 18/08/2018 01:46:05 AM 468 Views
Who said I was surprised? damookster - 18/08/2018 02:10:46 AM 470 Views
Re: Who said I was surprised? fionwe1987 - 18/08/2018 02:32:41 AM 486 Views
Are you asking a serious question? damookster - 18/08/2018 02:45:03 AM 495 Views
Yes, I was fionwe1987 - 18/08/2018 01:59:48 PM 493 Views
"liberal" society does not police speech Cannoli - 19/08/2018 03:31:54 AM 484 Views
You don't need to protect speech everyone agrees with. *NM* Hieshyn - 19/08/2018 06:02:17 PM 294 Views
It most certainly *does* police speech. LiterateDog - 20/08/2018 03:01:32 PM 481 Views
But to follow up on that. LiterateDog - 20/08/2018 03:16:07 PM 477 Views
Well, that's why we didn't stop with the FIRST Amendment *NM* Cannoli - 21/08/2018 04:25:53 PM 244 Views
That's individuals policing speech, not society. Agregate individual action =/= collective action Cannoli - 21/08/2018 04:25:23 PM 491 Views
I completely agree. LiterateDog - 21/08/2018 04:35:38 PM 449 Views
heh, heh, heh damookster - 21/08/2018 05:00:32 PM 465 Views
Hump it like you mean it! LiterateDog - 21/08/2018 07:00:01 PM 511 Views
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About the casual part fionwe1987 - 16/08/2018 10:33:45 PM 460 Views
I don't think it's appropriate, but I think it's more about sexual shaming Tom - 16/08/2018 10:35:53 PM 531 Views
Precisely fionwe1987 - 16/08/2018 10:59:42 PM 494 Views
You are absolutely correct damookster - 17/08/2018 02:43:21 AM 483 Views
I, for one, am glad to see this topic go flaming. aerocontrols - 17/08/2018 05:16:55 PM 550 Views
Yes, it is a tool used by those who should "know better". LiterateDog - 20/08/2018 03:14:30 PM 453 Views
well said damookster - 20/08/2018 03:50:50 PM 500 Views
Sigh I foresee 7 days of homosexual prison jokes in the near future in media adjacent places Roland00 - 22/08/2018 04:42:23 AM 427 Views
I think our casual acceptance of rape as part of prison is a major moral failure random thoughts - 22/08/2018 03:41:38 PM 446 Views
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