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It's been 23 years since my last Latin class Larry Send a noteboard - 11/12/2017 04:48:54 AM

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"Lead us not..." - ne inducas nos

What is so hard about this phrase? It's asking God not to lead us to situations where we know we will fail to live up to His expectations. The temptation itself is not of God. No one implies that anywhere. It is just a prayer that God help us avoid situations where we know we cannot avoid the temptations that Satan has prepared for us. It's asking God to steer the chocoholic on a diet down the street that doesn't have the Godiva store, not implying that he owns the Godiva store.


So I forget a few things...

That being said, I do agree with what you're saying. Only thing I would add is that there is that interesting issue of the French bishops already changing the Pater Noster recently, after a 52 year debate that he was apparently referring to. Might as well change the Creed (again) at this point, I suppose...

Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
A slightly better journalism piece on the issue (Italian)
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Pope Francis must be declared a heretic and burned. Tom - 09/12/2017 03:14:16 AM 1473 Views
Oooh, theodicy. Legolas - 09/12/2017 03:28:21 AM 620 Views
Well, God "hardened Pharaoh's heart" a couple of times. *NM* Ghavrel - 10/12/2017 09:22:05 AM 325 Views
That’s a much better song too *NM* Tom - 10/12/2017 02:05:04 PM 403 Views
That was just so he could murder all their sons and prove he is awesome. random thoughts - 11/12/2017 09:24:16 PM 625 Views
Never heard that one. The Trainspotting song “Temptation” is much better (Crowded House sucks) *NM* Tom - 10/12/2017 02:02:37 PM 367 Views
Auto-da-fé, what's an auto-da-fé? It's what you oughtn't to do but you do anyway! *NM* Roland00 - 09/12/2017 03:55:47 AM 387 Views
Revelation 22:18, 19 damookster - 09/12/2017 07:02:55 PM 534 Views
Does it have to be fire? I do not like the smell of burnt human flesh. Is it okay with the council Roland00 - 09/12/2017 11:55:31 PM 476 Views
Only fire can purify the stain of heresy. *NM* damookster - 10/12/2017 01:21:58 AM 417 Views
We have to burn you for blasphemy by comparing Francis to Christ Tom - 10/12/2017 02:04:04 PM 516 Views
I just find this deeply ironic that is all *NM* Roland00 - 10/12/2017 08:35:26 PM 358 Views
I'll search for an Italian transcript later, but... Larry - 10/12/2017 03:10:06 PM 721 Views
It's not subjunctive per se. It's a negative imperative, damnit. Tom - 11/12/2017 02:11:53 AM 535 Views
I hadn't seen this post before I posted... TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 04:46:07 AM 527 Views
It's been 23 years since my last Latin class Larry - 11/12/2017 04:48:54 AM 660 Views
My mother and a family friend priest drove by today... TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 04:38:49 AM 537 Views
It's because it's *not* a translation issue, and Francis is deceiving the faithful. Tom - 11/12/2017 05:46:27 AM 500 Views
And what the fuck is wrong with this website? I didn't indent numbers and I used 1, 2, 3, 4 Tom - 11/12/2017 05:47:42 AM 623 Views
Incidentally, the numbers showed up accurately in my response while quoting, so who knows? *NM* TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 07:12:44 AM 380 Views
For the record, I'm not saying you're wrong... TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 07:11:59 AM 522 Views
You know, now that I think about it, Job isn't a good reference. TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 07:21:13 AM 634 Views
Tom is correct, but let me make the argument that the Pope is right Roland00 - 11/12/2017 08:49:35 PM 830 Views
If it is not a translation problem (and it isn't), then the Pope is changing the words of Christ Tom - 12/12/2017 03:43:50 PM 514 Views
I've read that "heresy" comes from words meaning 'to cut' or else to 'seize or take away' Cannoli - 12/12/2017 03:56:19 PM 556 Views
Re: If it is not a translation problem (and it isn't), then the Pope is changing the words of Christ TyrReborn - 12/12/2017 06:24:58 PM 544 Views
The vicar of Christ doesn't get to change the words of Christ. damookster - 11/12/2017 08:12:22 AM 616 Views
Fair enough. *NM* TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 05:44:46 PM 327 Views
but he is infallible ???? random thoughts - 11/12/2017 09:22:02 PM 538 Views
The Pope is only infallible in certain situations. TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 10:40:28 PM 539 Views
Link not working for you? *NM* random thoughts - 12/12/2017 12:44:23 AM 362 Views
Yes, and thankfully he wasn't making a proclamation ex cathedra. Tom - 12/12/2017 01:09:25 AM 526 Views
I mean...I love me some theology... Jeordam - 11/12/2017 10:56:34 PM 603 Views
The problem is that I don't think he was thinking at all Tom - 13/12/2017 06:22:14 PM 482 Views
No arguments here Cannoli - 12/12/2017 03:51:59 PM 554 Views
Well, I needed to at least mention the Orthodoxy-Catholicism split Tom - 12/12/2017 05:01:54 PM 612 Views
Can't you just depose him. The Shrike - 13/12/2017 05:49:59 PM 498 Views
I could, but where's the fun in that? Tom - 13/12/2017 06:20:18 PM 594 Views
Because he would have to live with being deposed. The Shrike - 13/12/2017 07:05:35 PM 506 Views
As Stalin said, Нет человека, нет проблемы Tom - 13/12/2017 09:06:44 PM 514 Views
Like fire / Hellfire / This fire in my skin / This burning / Desire / Is turning me to sin *NM* Roland00 - 13/12/2017 09:21:16 PM 417 Views
How about we just send him to Avignon. The Shrike - 13/12/2017 11:31:25 PM 537 Views
If we send him in a soundproof box so all he can do is waive endlessly, sure! Tom - 14/12/2017 12:32:04 AM 564 Views
Schrodinger's Pope(s)? *NM* Roland00 - 15/12/2017 10:01:35 PM 309 Views
That would be fun. No one would know if he's alive or dead. *NM* Tom - 16/12/2017 03:50:13 AM 300 Views
Waive endlessly? Larry - 18/12/2017 03:06:39 AM 679 Views
It's the consequence of writing this in between contract revisions Tom - 18/12/2017 02:52:15 PM 730 Views
I've had that happen before, minus the contract legalese Larry - 20/12/2017 03:43:50 AM 534 Views
music to burn heretics by... damookster - 13/12/2017 10:44:51 PM 652 Views
That is truly obscure Tom - 14/12/2017 12:39:43 AM 508 Views
It could be worse, my favorite 2 christmas albums are Roland00 - 14/12/2017 03:25:38 AM 524 Views
Sounds like your father was a wise man *NM* random thoughts - 14/12/2017 12:54:20 PM 336 Views
And he's still going nearly 50 years later... Simon - 16/12/2017 02:32:41 PM 1189 Views
That’s amazing. He’s still crazy. *NM* damookster - 16/12/2017 03:31:36 PM 292 Views
Agreed. *NM* Simon - 01/01/2018 01:59:14 PM 862 Views
I'd like to thank everyone who replied to get the folder on fire. It adds a je ne sais quoi to it. *NM* Tom - 19/12/2017 05:10:02 PM 316 Views
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