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Oh those echo chambers. The Shrike Send a noteboard - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM

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But I'm not convinced it's fear. It feels more like overconfidence that they know what's Right. And if one is so sure something is correct, why would the other side need a say? Particularly if it's offensive or potentially hurtful to friends? They are likely to believe it's being said TO offend, rather than add value to the conversation.

I remember feeling very certain of many things when I was younger (marriage is for men and women, for one), but I didn't have social media or the ability to wrap myself in an echo chamber or bubble. I had a very outspoken family, and wotmania, aka: every opinion any kind of person has ever had in one place. I almost can't remember the original me.


I can empathize with how you perceive yourself to have changed. I too have changed. I used to be a militant atheist (Soviet parents, NYC raised) and now am much more accepting of religions, especially the good influence of Christianity. Yes, no religion is perfect but there are so many good people who practice religions that I can't be them anymore. People at Wotmania helped me become a better person; a more open minded person.

I do wonder if those echo chambers are part of the problem. We only see a part of the world rather than the entire world. We can choose our news. We can then choose our friends. We can do so much choosing that when we see a part of the world we think its the entire world. And so when we see glimpses of the worlds outside our bubble we are shocked react negatively. Perhaps it is fear of the unknown. Perhaps its a lack of tolerance. Perhaps its all those issues together to combine together to create the problem.

But as long as there we accept that there may be a problem and talk about it then we can at least think about ways forward that fix the issues.

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Why Are [SOME] Millennials Wary of Freedom? - 16/10/2017 07:16:47 PM 2266 Views
Good article. - 16/10/2017 08:05:48 PM 823 Views
Indeed it is a pathology of fear. - 17/10/2017 01:59:24 AM 742 Views
This makes me especially sad. - 17/10/2017 12:47:51 PM 675 Views
never thought of it that way but excellent points *NM* - 17/10/2017 03:31:51 AM 518 Views
Definitely a possibility. - 17/10/2017 12:46:42 PM 678 Views
Do we still have WSE points? I was quite the mogul in the waning days of WoTmania. *NM* - 16/10/2017 11:36:00 PM 471 Views
/me steals your WSE points. *NM* - 17/10/2017 12:48:08 PM 448 Views
Interesting - 16/10/2017 11:46:32 PM 735 Views
Old dude, you make a good point, too. - 17/10/2017 02:01:29 AM 688 Views
Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM 763 Views
All generations experienced different cultures with different views *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:41:40 AM 432 Views
Agreed but there is a difference in severity between 1997 to 2017 vs 997 to 1017 *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:52:14 AM 444 Views
but less than 1900 vs 1920 - 18/10/2017 02:27:59 PM 652 Views
I still have hope - 17/10/2017 12:50:35 PM 752 Views
I shall endeavor to combine Tom'n'Mookie's theories into one grand theory of... - 17/10/2017 02:15:48 AM 717 Views
This article agrees with your assessment - 17/10/2017 02:30:03 PM 788 Views
I appreciate your amendment. - 17/10/2017 03:14:19 AM 975 Views
no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - 17/10/2017 11:51:08 AM 690 Views
Re: no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - uh, yes. - 17/10/2017 01:44:26 PM 709 Views
Most of us are very good at that - 17/10/2017 08:24:50 PM 709 Views
Thanks. - 17/10/2017 01:00:42 PM 639 Views
I disagree with relation to trigger warnings. - 17/10/2017 11:17:45 PM 701 Views
A fair point. - Still, how far will you extend them? - 18/10/2017 12:47:50 AM 673 Views
I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure it's a big deal either way. - 18/10/2017 02:56:09 AM 625 Views
Nods - 18/10/2017 03:17:17 AM 648 Views
And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 01:02:44 PM 825 Views
Re: And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 08:48:01 PM 702 Views
How would you propose such warnings be worded? - 18/10/2017 09:21:02 PM 692 Views
Do you know a lot of people who suffer from PTSD? - 19/10/2017 05:26:06 AM 852 Views
Stop. Now. - 19/10/2017 06:21:13 AM 633 Views
Avoidance isn't the purpose of those warnings, though. - 19/10/2017 06:32:16 AM 672 Views
You would ruin the literature though. And discussions around the literature. - 19/10/2017 01:21:20 PM 700 Views
That's reasonable. - 19/10/2017 11:58:56 PM 666 Views
Well argument settled becuase they already exist - 23/10/2017 01:46:55 PM 599 Views
Fuck you Tom - 19/10/2017 07:06:47 AM 790 Views
Oh come on... - 19/10/2017 05:12:46 PM 691 Views
Oh please - 19/10/2017 02:10:11 PM 769 Views
Re: Oh please - 20/10/2017 12:01:02 AM 723 Views
I'm just gonna put this out there... - 20/10/2017 07:24:55 PM 672 Views
Eh, I don't think that's accurate. - 21/10/2017 07:04:58 AM 606 Views
An unnecessary tool.... - 23/10/2017 05:14:06 PM 616 Views
Why does this reasoning apply to PTSD but not to other diseases? PTSD is a physical issue. - 24/10/2017 12:33:31 AM 627 Views
I would challenge that statment.... - 24/10/2017 05:14:17 PM 800 Views
Do you actually believe those examples are valid? *NM* - 23/10/2017 07:32:59 PM 398 Views
Agreed. - 19/10/2017 06:16:33 AM 778 Views
Interesting article. - 17/10/2017 07:41:34 PM 700 Views
Why are some HUMANS wary of freedom? - 17/10/2017 05:31:04 AM 647 Views
Maybe the victimhood thing is another kind of honor - 17/10/2017 01:02:43 PM 721 Views
Because it's easier to absolve oneself of power sometimes. For those people anyway. - 17/10/2017 01:10:41 PM 655 Views
I apologize before hand - 18/10/2017 01:11:59 AM 654 Views
I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm doubling up - 17/10/2017 01:06:00 PM 814 Views
Oh those echo chambers. - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM 750 Views
I hate blaming things - 17/10/2017 02:04:44 PM 755 Views
I'm not even sure "echo chamber" is the right phrase - 17/10/2017 02:17:07 PM 767 Views
I'm not sure that is the most common choice. - 17/10/2017 05:21:52 PM 815 Views
I get irritated too. But I still keep them in my news feed as well. - 17/10/2017 08:49:45 PM 653 Views
Je ne regrette rien. My memes are both spicy and piquant. *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:20:55 PM 390 Views
I'm of Russian extraction. I like my food bland. Garlic, dill, salt, pepper. It's enough for me. - 18/10/2017 12:52:27 AM 651 Views
You know, I'd not thought about that. - 18/10/2017 03:07:05 AM 695 Views
I find him intriguing as a Captain. - 18/10/2017 01:09:07 PM 636 Views
So now we are at episode 6 - 24/10/2017 12:31:06 PM 569 Views
6 was by far the best episode of the series. *NM* - 24/10/2017 08:07:55 PM 407 Views
Yes - 25/10/2017 12:50:15 PM 657 Views
But are your Memes brothy and fully of Umami? - 18/10/2017 01:17:07 AM 596 Views
Umami is an irritating word *NM* - 18/10/2017 04:59:21 PM 368 Views
Yes, ohdaddy is a much better word. *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:15:48 PM 468 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 05:39:12 PM 397 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 06:27:31 PM 386 Views
I do think some of this is specifically American and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere. - 17/10/2017 06:26:33 PM 710 Views
Agreed with all your points. - 17/10/2017 08:53:23 PM 692 Views
The Netherlands, I'm not so sure about. - 17/10/2017 11:43:54 PM 680 Views
My apologies. I see Dutch and don't think of Belgium. - 18/10/2017 12:56:26 AM 681 Views
That's alright. This is a confusing country in many ways. - 18/10/2017 08:58:15 PM 662 Views
America and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere puts a higher valuer on liberty *NM* - 19/10/2017 01:53:50 PM 422 Views
Yes, in some ways it does. *NM* - 19/10/2017 05:38:41 PM 432 Views
Simple, true fredom is includes the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 05:43:13 PM 718 Views
Re: Simple, true fredom is/includes the freedom to fail *NM* - 20/10/2017 05:45:51 PM 460 Views
Yes it is the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 06:36:02 PM 721 Views
This entire thread was so awesome.... - 20/10/2017 07:12:46 PM 756 Views
Jeo I think you in particular will appreciate this - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 674 Views
Interesting.....wisdom from on high.... - 20/10/2017 09:58:36 PM 595 Views
damn it *NM* - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 365 Views
I think a lot of us are thinking about trigger warnings differently. - 21/10/2017 07:07:01 AM 677 Views
Maybe, maybe not... - 23/10/2017 05:18:16 PM 578 Views
Glad you enjoyed it and that it provoked thought. - 23/10/2017 02:32:57 PM 653 Views
I see this as... - 23/10/2017 05:23:54 PM 636 Views
I kind of break them down into two types - 22/10/2017 03:25:04 AM 742 Views
I wonder how much the fall of communism has to do with this? - 24/10/2017 10:20:16 PM 709 Views
Definitely more than a bit. - 25/10/2017 12:51:55 PM 604 Views

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