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Ocean Spray is not a socialist venture in any way that I can see. Tom Send a noteboard - 25/09/2017 01:45:44 AM

It's a cooperative of grower-owners. I don't believe that the people who pick the fruit for the growers are in charge of the company. Cooperatives are voluntary associations of owners, much like agricultural storage cooperatives set up in the Midwest to help owner-farmers take advantage of grain price fluctuations. Calling that "socialism" is like calling support of free speech "fascism".

Next thing I know you're going to say that factoring agreements are socialism too, along with insurance and retirement plans.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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such as? Jeordam - 21/09/2017 08:16:48 PM 681 Views
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He's right on socialism Tom - 25/09/2017 12:42:26 AM 605 Views
What about market socialism? Coops are decently popular. Ocean Spray is doing fine. *NM* Ghavrel - 25/09/2017 01:28:19 AM 329 Views
Ocean Spray is not a socialist venture in any way that I can see. Tom - 25/09/2017 01:45:44 AM 675 Views
Sure, by the original meaning of the word. Legolas - 25/09/2017 05:22:50 PM 616 Views
People misuse words all the time (cf. ironic). That's their problem. Tom - 25/09/2017 07:25:55 PM 617 Views
I'm making the argument... Legolas - 26/09/2017 07:12:56 PM 692 Views
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...democratic... fascism? *NM* Ghavrel - 26/09/2017 08:22:36 PM 331 Views
Sure aerocontrols - 26/09/2017 08:32:17 PM 606 Views
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*shrug* aerocontrols - 27/09/2017 01:05:47 PM 563 Views
I think that's a weakness of your spectrum argument, though. Ghavrel - 27/09/2017 11:06:16 PM 504 Views
the non military is the further stretch random thoughts - 27/09/2017 02:16:03 PM 592 Views
lol aerocontrols - 27/09/2017 02:37:00 PM 579 Views
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Which you then did your best to prove? Thank you for that, by the way. Legolas - 27/09/2017 09:13:28 PM 651 Views
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I get it.... Jeordam - 26/09/2017 09:00:35 PM 528 Views
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Re: You said something similar a while back. And really, I just don't get it. Cannoli - 22/09/2017 11:59:19 PM 610 Views
He was in town today, stumping for Luther Strange aerocontrols - 23/09/2017 03:58:49 AM 622 Views
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