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Ocean Spray is not a socialist venture in any way that I can see. Tom Send a noteboard - 25/09/2017 01:45:44 AM

It's a cooperative of grower-owners. I don't believe that the people who pick the fruit for the growers are in charge of the company. Cooperatives are voluntary associations of owners, much like agricultural storage cooperatives set up in the Midwest to help owner-farmers take advantage of grain price fluctuations. Calling that "socialism" is like calling support of free speech "fascism".

Next thing I know you're going to say that factoring agreements are socialism too, along with insurance and retirement plans.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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What about market socialism? Coops are decently popular. Ocean Spray is doing fine. *NM* Ghavrel - 25/09/2017 01:28:19 AM 332 Views
Ocean Spray is not a socialist venture in any way that I can see. Tom - 25/09/2017 01:45:44 AM 683 Views
Sure, by the original meaning of the word. Legolas - 25/09/2017 05:22:50 PM 624 Views
People misuse words all the time (cf. ironic). That's their problem. Tom - 25/09/2017 07:25:55 PM 624 Views
I'm making the argument... Legolas - 26/09/2017 07:12:56 PM 706 Views
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Re: You said something similar a while back. And really, I just don't get it. Cannoli - 22/09/2017 11:59:19 PM 617 Views
He was in town today, stumping for Luther Strange aerocontrols - 23/09/2017 03:58:49 AM 627 Views
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