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See, but it's the same thing.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 25/08/2017 05:22:50 PM

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I don't refuse to admit that I'm looking for handicapping. I don't sell it that way because it's not politically advantageous, in much the same way that I don't sell my pro-choice views as being pro-the-right-for-women-to-abort-fetuses, but I'm perfectly willing to admit that's what I support.

I don't have a problem telling a rich white person that, all else being equal, they've had it easier than a poor black person. Again, I try to phrase it differently, but that's certainly my belief.


Whether you frame it one way, or you frame it the other way....it's still the same thing and still as unpalatable as ever. Don't fool yourself into thinking that this fact goes unnoticed. If the method of creating quality is dragging down one side to match the other, there will be resentment, anger, and eventually violence. The reciprocal is also true if you blatantly favor one side to bring it up to the level of the other...that "hand-out" is also seen unfavorably.

~Jeordam

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Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
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The purges will continue until morale improves aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 04:10:36 PM 1062 Views
I love how they cite Vasquez from Aliens as a strong female character. Cannoli - 22/08/2017 04:46:53 PM 496 Views
Not where I pictured that going... aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:19:46 PM 342 Views
Uh, yeah, I don't see the link. Just because he cheated on his wife doesn't make him not feminist. Legolas - 22/08/2017 06:44:28 PM 386 Views
You are not the gatekeeper, either aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:25:31 PM 373 Views
I strongly protest against the notion that there IS a gatekeeper. Legolas - 22/08/2017 07:39:41 PM 360 Views
I am the gatekeeper. Both of you are out. Aviendha - 22/08/2017 07:52:22 PM 418 Views
You can't kick me out! aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:54:30 PM 356 Views
None shall pass. Aviendha - 22/08/2017 07:57:43 PM 364 Views
yeah, yeah, yeah... aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 08:06:40 PM 357 Views
We're out of my field aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:53:01 PM 382 Views
Of course the real problem with the strong female action figure is the lack of real world models random thoughts - 22/08/2017 07:30:55 PM 366 Views
But is it? aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:45:30 PM 351 Views
An interesting thing about sci-fi is that it can plausibly eliminate sexual disparity in strength. Ghavrel - 22/08/2017 08:19:52 PM 376 Views
I take it by 'Africans', you mean 'black people'? Legolas - 22/08/2017 09:19:01 PM 381 Views
I meant Africans. The deficiency here is in my knowledge of sports records. Ghavrel - 23/08/2017 12:40:23 AM 335 Views
In longer distance races, yes. Not so much in sprinting. Legolas - 23/08/2017 07:03:14 AM 349 Views
When you are talking aliens then gender really isn't an issue random thoughts - 22/08/2017 09:42:07 PM 342 Views
Of the two female Avengers only one has super powers. random thoughts - 22/08/2017 09:46:49 PM 367 Views
*shrug* aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 09:56:20 PM 377 Views
And it bothers me that he can get nocked around like that and live random thoughts - 23/08/2017 12:29:26 AM 416 Views
No, not yours *NM* aerocontrols - 23/08/2017 12:34:13 AM 234 Views
I doubt anyone had their life changed because they were inspired but whatever his name is *NM* random thoughts - 25/08/2017 02:33:48 AM 206 Views
So that makes me wonder....What is the definition of a Feminist? Jeordam - 22/08/2017 11:20:49 PM 377 Views
A person who supports feminism. Aviendha - 22/08/2017 11:55:56 PM 440 Views
Motte and Bailey aerocontrols - 24/08/2017 10:22:03 PM 435 Views
? Aviendha - 24/08/2017 10:34:34 PM 462 Views
The argument is aerocontrols - 24/08/2017 11:03:19 PM 362 Views
I think people have different ideas of how to reach equality, some of which are stupid Aviendha - 24/08/2017 11:28:31 PM 394 Views
Well, ok aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 12:19:24 AM 361 Views
Men! Aviendha - 25/08/2017 09:28:21 AM 424 Views
I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel - 24/08/2017 10:36:31 PM 369 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. aerocontrols - 24/08/2017 11:01:15 PM 423 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel - 24/08/2017 11:34:24 PM 383 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 12:28:58 AM 394 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 03:33:53 AM 359 Views
Sometimes 'real' is the right word, though aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 03:01:16 PM 380 Views
Well, sure. There's no dispute over their beliefs there, though. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 04:03:47 PM 391 Views
all the social justice people hide from one reality random thoughts - 25/08/2017 03:40:51 PM 356 Views
That's the equity/equality distinction. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 04:01:10 PM 342 Views
See, but it's the same thing.... Jeordam - 25/08/2017 05:22:50 PM 453 Views
Are you ok giving a rich black person advantages over a poor white one? random thoughts - 25/08/2017 05:41:58 PM 384 Views
It's not just a black/white issue aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 05:45:17 PM 431 Views
Really? Jeordam - 25/08/2017 06:16:14 PM 377 Views
Affirmative action is illegal for public universities in California aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 06:44:38 PM 430 Views
That is an affect of their score not of racial bias random thoughts - 28/08/2017 02:32:02 PM 372 Views
That's really not what "modern liberal social justice" thinks. Ghavrel - 28/08/2017 06:41:32 AM 295 Views
It may not be what they intend but they ignore the real world consequences random thoughts - 28/08/2017 02:25:23 PM 432 Views
Re: That's really not what "modern liberal social justice" thinks. aerocontrols - 28/08/2017 03:02:42 PM 423 Views
Only very briefly as I head off to work. Ghavrel - 28/08/2017 04:07:42 PM 298 Views
Well, I can see you're busy aerocontrols - 28/08/2017 04:36:55 PM 400 Views
All else being equal, yes. But that's sometimes difficult to visualize. Ghavrel - 29/08/2017 03:56:56 AM 427 Views
How about a kid who's family endows one or more chairs? Or built the new gym? *NM* damookster - 29/08/2017 05:45:29 AM 204 Views
That's not "all else being equal." *NM* Ghavrel - 29/08/2017 05:35:13 PM 284 Views
I prefer Mott The Hoople *NM* damookster - 24/08/2017 10:42:00 PM 204 Views
Oh look; a bunch of dudes discussing feminism! *NM* Aviendha - 22/08/2017 11:49:25 PM 243 Views
Just let us know if you need any mansplaining. aerocontrols - 23/08/2017 12:08:55 AM 324 Views
Someone needs to bring some rationality and logic to the topic. *NM* Cannoli - 23/08/2017 01:28:16 AM 198 Views
And, I thought it was "if you believe men & women are equal, you're a feminist!" *NM* Cannoli - 23/08/2017 01:29:24 AM 201 Views
I don't know if you've noticed, but... Legolas - 23/08/2017 07:05:10 AM 345 Views
Well Aviendha - 23/08/2017 09:02:28 AM 419 Views
I tried nossy - 23/08/2017 11:41:00 AM 413 Views
It's odd Aviendha - 23/08/2017 12:08:34 PM 417 Views
Lol, I wondered how you fit in over here. nossy - 23/08/2017 12:26:05 PM 424 Views
Urban Minnesota is a bit of a haven, too. Plus we have agreeable weather with four seasons! Hieshyn - 23/08/2017 09:29:33 PM 398 Views
Pft, I've seen your mosquitos! *NM* nossy - 24/08/2017 12:57:03 AM 219 Views
This year has been very mild. I think they're going the Way of the Bee. *NM* Hieshyn - 24/08/2017 11:26:10 PM 236 Views
Uhoh nossy - 24/08/2017 11:47:16 PM 388 Views
Nope. Those bastards dont deserve your pity. They are parasites. Hieshyn - 25/08/2017 01:44:45 AM 374 Views
ANYWAY Aviendha - 25/08/2017 09:30:31 AM 355 Views
Yes the virtues of having both extremes of weather random thoughts - 25/08/2017 02:31:38 AM 376 Views
Hey! nossy - 25/08/2017 10:41:16 AM 336 Views
Special rights don't lead to equality. *NM* random thoughts - 23/08/2017 12:14:12 PM 211 Views
Is it even considered possible for cisgender men to be feminist? damookster - 23/08/2017 12:48:28 AM 326 Views
In this particular case, the feminists would appear to have a legitimate point Cannoli - 23/08/2017 02:54:46 AM 441 Views
So in the end, Joss Wheldon is nothing more than the stereotypical Hollywood producer damookster - 23/08/2017 03:48:40 AM 414 Views
So he is a lot like Bil Clinton only with no Hillary to take the women out for him? *NM* random thoughts - 25/08/2017 01:16:11 PM 215 Views
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