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Re: And people misuse the subjunctive all the time. Your point? Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 27/07/2017 02:13:57 PM

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Can you honestly explain why this is different than demanding litter boxes in bathrooms for people who self-identify as cats? Will women who try to conceal their age legitimately be able to get driver's licenses changed if they self-identify as being younger? What exactly are you hanging your hat on here?

I think the most compelling argument in favor of there being a biological basis for transsexualism is the various imaging studies that have been done on the brains of trans people. Male and female brains tend to differ structurally from each other, and trans people generally have brains which have stereotypical elements of both male and female brains, in a way that differs from the general population. These structural differences exist pre-transition.

There have also been studies showing that trans people generally have hypothalamic reactions to certain sex-specific pheromones in the manner of their identified gender.

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Thoughts on the internet outrage over Trump's transgenders in the military announcement damookster - 26/07/2017 05:42:34 PM 1016 Views
Maybe because.... Jeordam - 26/07/2017 06:08:16 PM 611 Views
I get that damookster - 26/07/2017 06:12:35 PM 626 Views
I don't think that your reasoning is flawed.... Jeordam - 26/07/2017 06:31:06 PM 661 Views
bottom line damookster - 26/07/2017 06:40:36 PM 616 Views
*shrug* Jeordam - 26/07/2017 07:05:17 PM 599 Views
I dare say a lot of the rhetoric is seriously over the top... Legolas - 26/07/2017 06:13:59 PM 631 Views
like I replied to Jeo, I don't see this as a betrayal of the LGBT cause damookster - 26/07/2017 06:19:01 PM 636 Views
LGB is not the same as T. We need to stop treating it all the same. Tom - 26/07/2017 06:58:05 PM 629 Views
No the least of which... Jeordam - 26/07/2017 07:06:21 PM 669 Views
Physical mutilation is a more appropriate word. Tom - 26/07/2017 07:07:33 PM 604 Views
You're correct.... Jeordam - 26/07/2017 09:28:20 PM 574 Views
Not always, keep that in mind. Legolas - 26/07/2017 07:35:34 PM 606 Views
I would still consider that.... Jeordam - 26/07/2017 09:02:36 PM 630 Views
John McCain is the Left's favorite RINO Tom - 26/07/2017 08:09:41 PM 659 Views
He's not a RINO. Just built his career on being independent-minded. Legolas - 26/07/2017 09:49:32 PM 650 Views
I really don't see the independence. Where is it? Tom - 27/07/2017 01:33:27 AM 628 Views
So which is it, is he a RINO or a faithful Republican foot soldier? Legolas - 27/07/2017 08:08:04 PM 688 Views
RINOs are a pack. Tom - 28/07/2017 12:46:44 AM 608 Views
Agreed with McCain The Shrike - 27/07/2017 03:35:06 PM 600 Views
It makes eminent sense why trannies shouldn't be allowed. Tom - 26/07/2017 06:57:00 PM 628 Views
I tried to keep my points to the logic of excluding an 18 yr old trans person damookster - 26/07/2017 07:16:37 PM 664 Views
I don't have any desire to stop people from doing it Tom - 26/07/2017 07:32:08 PM 598 Views
I agree damookster - 26/07/2017 07:59:18 PM 683 Views
Absolutely agree on all counts *NM* Cannoli - 27/07/2017 06:40:03 AM 322 Views
You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight. Joel - 27/07/2017 10:14:11 PM 637 Views
You're an idiot. *NM* Tom - 28/07/2017 12:47:21 AM 321 Views
You also need to pass some sort of physical standards Cannoli - 28/07/2017 03:52:14 AM 633 Views
So I was reading.... Jeordam - 26/07/2017 09:07:11 PM 623 Views
This is part of my point Tom - 26/07/2017 09:47:39 PM 618 Views
The rate goes down significantly after transition. Ghavrel - 26/07/2017 11:24:50 PM 603 Views
Bullshit. Tom - 27/07/2017 01:40:05 AM 701 Views
I also like that study because it uses correct terminology: transsexual, sex-reassigned. Tom - 27/07/2017 01:42:19 AM 630 Views
Gender has had a non-grammatical meaning since the 1950s, and you know it. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 03:05:09 AM 601 Views
And people misuse the subjunctive all the time. Your point? Tom - 27/07/2017 04:57:19 AM 624 Views
Re: And people misuse the subjunctive all the time. Your point? Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 02:13:57 PM 617 Views
That's not necessarily a biological difference Tom - 27/07/2017 05:03:30 PM 694 Views
or liposuction or laser fat removal too. *NM* damookster - 27/07/2017 05:06:56 PM 336 Views
Facelifts, tummy tucks, collagen implants, nose jobs... *NM* Tom - 27/07/2017 05:09:01 PM 320 Views
Not bullshit. The rate decreases. It is still elevated relative to the general population. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 03:00:15 AM 646 Views
"transition is the cure" Tom - 27/07/2017 04:50:11 AM 641 Views
Sloppy wording on my part. Transition is currently the most effective known cure. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 02:18:41 PM 632 Views
Yes, but that just argues against transsexuals in the military either way Tom - 27/07/2017 05:04:39 PM 566 Views
Yes, and I don't feel particularly strongly about the current fiasco for that reason. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 05:51:29 PM 640 Views
Yes, I am waiting for one of our veterans to weigh in with their thoughts. *NM* damookster - 27/07/2017 06:13:19 PM 315 Views
For what it's worth.... Jeordam - 28/07/2017 10:36:22 PM 649 Views
I have a friend who was an officer in the army who feels the same way. Ghavrel - 29/07/2017 12:37:48 AM 593 Views
which should then close the debate on the original question damookster - 27/07/2017 05:07:34 AM 644 Views
Exactly. *NM* Tom - 27/07/2017 01:26:48 PM 325 Views
Well, to the extent that it covers people with dysphoria, sure. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 02:26:26 PM 581 Views
As I said above, Viagra treats a dysfunction Tom - 27/07/2017 05:08:19 PM 627 Views
also, to a point you made earlier damookster - 27/07/2017 05:39:32 PM 591 Views
Well, that's an argument for not putting them in roles where they can be captured, sure. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 05:53:02 PM 575 Views
The argument is that transition corrects the dysfunction of gender dysphoria. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 05:49:24 PM 597 Views
So let me understand your position correctly via asking a few questions Roland00 - 28/07/2017 04:01:50 AM 647 Views
Too long Tom - 28/07/2017 01:54:11 PM 620 Views
The main reason for the post was the standard you created Roland00 - 28/07/2017 05:00:27 PM 577 Views
Reductio ad absurdum, Roland? damookster - 28/07/2017 05:29:23 PM 583 Views
I know Tom and Cannoli don't care, but on the off chance that you do... Ghavrel - 29/07/2017 12:39:16 AM 636 Views
I didn't realize that damookster - 29/07/2017 01:10:30 AM 557 Views
Also trivia Roland00 - 29/07/2017 01:22:37 AM 537 Views
No worries. I'm not offended. I just thought you might want to know. *NM* Ghavrel - 29/07/2017 02:32:01 AM 294 Views
Thanks damookster - 29/07/2017 03:25:08 AM 558 Views
I don't? *NM* Cannoli - 29/07/2017 08:23:14 AM 334 Views
Yeah, I really don't care. Though I use the term for a different reason. Tom - 29/07/2017 07:12:03 PM 595 Views
So right now let me share the joke that is happening in my mind Roland00 - 29/07/2017 07:28:22 PM 538 Views
Girlfriend Mookie, you are projecting onto me. Roland00 - 29/07/2017 01:17:47 AM 636 Views
I absolutely respect you, Roland/Matt damookster - 29/07/2017 01:40:28 AM 564 Views
We are cool Roland00 - 29/07/2017 02:36:00 AM 623 Views
Blah blah blah and now I am showing off like an asshole Roland00 - 29/07/2017 02:52:48 AM 571 Views
you're a nice guy, Roland00 damookster - 29/07/2017 03:22:15 AM 594 Views
OMG mookie gave me the Nice Guy speech / Good Guy speech Roland00 - 29/07/2017 07:41:23 PM 533 Views
I've never seen Newsroom damookster - 29/07/2017 08:00:38 PM 567 Views
Teases I'll get you, my pretty, and your little dog too! Roland00 - 29/07/2017 09:13:30 PM 586 Views
Nah, I'm not that subtle. damookster - 29/07/2017 11:01:39 PM 536 Views
Edit: Double Posted due to bad wifi *NM* Roland00 - 28/07/2017 04:01:51 AM 320 Views
Serving its end: As long as everyone argues over this, no one talks about Trumpcare nor Russiagate Joel - 27/07/2017 10:05:00 PM 573 Views
What's horrible is the portmandu with -gate......Can we just let that one go yet? *NM* Jeordam - 27/07/2017 10:51:20 PM 308 Views
Joel, seriously damookster - 29/07/2017 08:33:14 PM 608 Views
No the real boogeymen are the ones we do not see with our eyes, but are still lurking in the shadows Roland00 - 29/07/2017 09:16:34 PM 513 Views
And Rejoice Roland00 - 29/07/2017 09:17:42 PM 569 Views
You are mixing up your metaphors, it is sleight of hand not sleight of mind Roland00 - 29/07/2017 09:20:17 PM 573 Views
Everybody Is Missing The Mark Here MrFarstrider - 29/07/2017 10:25:04 PM 688 Views
Nice comments. Thanks for that explanation. *NM* damookster - 29/07/2017 11:15:29 PM 319 Views
Also, For the Record MrFarstrider - 30/07/2017 08:02:58 AM 711 Views
Incite or Insight *NM* Roland00 - 01/08/2017 06:30:28 AM 306 Views
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