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Absolutely agree on all counts *NM* Cannoli Send a noteboard - 27/07/2017 06:40:03 AM

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First, of course, they are mentally unwell. The very notion that so-called "transgender" people must be lumped into the same category with, and treated with equal deference as, gay people, is a slap in the face to gays and everything they've had to put up with.

It's a slap in the face because the exact arguments that helped to convince intolerant people to accept gays are now being turned around, and the positions are being reversed, in the case of trannies. The gay rights movement was able to convincingly prove that gay people do not "choose" to be gay, but rather, are born that way. To try to "pray the gay away" or repress their nature would be to deny reality.

By contrast, the pro-trannie movement is saying that "gender is a social construct". Well, actually, it's a grammatical construct. People don't have a gender; they have a sex. People are XX (female) or XY (male) (yes, there's sometimes an extra chromosome for XYY and XXX). Denying this reality is as much a denial of reality as denying the reality that people are born gay. Furthermore, if "gender is a social construct", then it's possible to "pray the trans away" and fully possible for church groups to work to end "trans identity". It also means that as society we can dictate "cisnormality" without any problem.

If groups within society want to indulge in the fantasy that these mostly mentally disturbed people engage in, that's fine. If people find transgressive acts sexually interesting, fine. No one's stopping anyone from playing games in bed or even in life to the extent people want to recognize it. The problem comes along when they want official recognition of their delusion.

What will come next? Will we need to put litter boxes in bathrooms for people who self-identify as cats? Can I collect social security if I self-identify as 65 or older? Can I force my will into probate if I self-identify as dead? Do I get affirmative action treatment applying for college if I self-identify as black? Just because Bruce Jenner mutilated himself doesn't ipso facto give him the right to use the women's bathroom. We can all call him a "she" and use the name "Caitlyn" (or however the hell he spells it) but it doesn't change the fact that he's a man who mutilated his body and is taking massive amounts of hormones to make the delusion he is, in fact, a woman, a more real delusion.

There are a few people who were born with signs of hermaphrodism who might have been "misassigned" at birth, though with genetic testing this is becoming rarer. However, the vast majority of these people are mentally very unwell. It was only under massive pressure from social justice shitheads that psychiatrists were essentially forced, in 2013, to stop treating this particular mental illness as such. It doesn't stop the rampant suicide rates, of course, but I'm sure Leftists everywhere are so proud of how "tolerant" they are (until people like Jenner then self-identify as conservatives - then they're evil).

The point is that the military doesn't let anyone serve with serious mental disorders. It also doesn't let people who need that level of medication serve, because if someone's cut off by the Taliban for a month somewhere the last thing we should be wasting time caring about is whether a tranny is getting his meds.

I have zero sympathy on this issue. I think it's offensive to gay people to try to put their rights and issues in the same basket as those of these basket cases. There should be no mandated special treatment to recognize what is in essence a delusion. If people want to voluntarily recognize them, that's fine. Wonderful. But that's about it. Good for the Pentagon, good job President Trump, and let's get back to having the military do what it's supposed to be there doing - fighting wars.



Cannoli
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Absolutely agree on all counts *NM* - 27/07/2017 06:40:03 AM 243 Views
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or liposuction or laser fat removal too. *NM* - 27/07/2017 05:06:56 PM 263 Views
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which should then close the debate on the original question - 27/07/2017 05:07:34 AM 457 Views
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