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If you have a social safety net I don't really have all that much of a problem with the idea of abolishing the minimum wage. But we've seen so many abuses of "the right of people to chose the prices they are willing to pay, and the right to enter into whatever sort of agreement suits their purpose" that it's really remarkable someone as well versed in history as yourself is arguing for a return to scrip and the company store.
If you have a social safety net I don't really have all that much of a problem with the idea of abolishing the minimum wage. But we've seen so many abuses of "the right of people to chose the prices they are willing to pay, and the right to enter into whatever sort of agreement suits their purpose" that it's really remarkable someone as well versed in history as yourself is arguing for a return to scrip and the company store.
Don't you think that there were other factors in play, not just wage earnings, which caused food scarcity and such?
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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage
- 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM
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Seattle is a poor choice for a case study
- 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM
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Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers.
- 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM
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That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective
- 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM
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Exactly. If you have to pay people $15/hour as a McDonald's cashier, put in the robots instead.
- 27/06/2017 07:18:11 PM
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Many?
- 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM
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Yes, many. My office is full of them.
- 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM
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So is life.
- 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM
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Re: So is life.
- 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM
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My father worked two jobs his entire working life.
- 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM
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We have a 40 hour work week for a reason.
- 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM
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That's a piss-poor analogy
- 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM
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How is that really relevant, then?
- 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM
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I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. 
*NM*
- 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM
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*NM*
- 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM
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*NM*
Personal choice
- 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM
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Re: Personal choice
- 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM
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In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however
- 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM
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Also, curtailing immigration, like keeping the minimum wage low, really only delays the inevitable.
- 29/06/2017 11:05:58 PM
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damn *NM*
- 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM
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Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences
- 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM
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You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die.
- 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM
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But this same arguement can be flipped by....
- 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM
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I feel like you're making my arguments for me here.
- 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM
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an apt comparison
- 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM
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So everyone who "can't"
- 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM
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ummm
- 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM
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I know. And I disagree with you.
- 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM
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Health care and minimum wage are different discussions
- 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM
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I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by...
- 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM
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Hyperbole is all well and good for internet memes but it really doesn' advance your argument.
- 03/07/2017 04:22:59 PM
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Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this?
- 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM
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All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM*
- 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM
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How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"?
- 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM
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The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread?
- 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM
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So just to put this out there...
- 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM
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The example for this post was for Seattle, or perhaps King County only.
- 29/06/2017 11:49:32 PM
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"Attract labor"? Minimum wage labor? I believe you mean, violently repell businesses
- 30/06/2017 03:31:36 PM
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Like anything else not addressed in the Constitution, it should be up to state and local government
- 30/06/2017 05:22:51 PM
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Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate...
- 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM
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Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM*
- 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM
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I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM*
- 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM
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Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism.
- 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM
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But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic?
- 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM
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I think it started to change in the 1980s
- 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM
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Re: I think it started to change in the 1980s
- 27/06/2017 09:05:23 PM
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Whether or not their views are shitty is a subjective determination
- 27/06/2017 11:15:22 PM
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A decade under conservative deans would fix the situation nicely, I think.
- 27/06/2017 11:24:41 PM
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Yes! I wonder what Dean Wormer from Faber is doing these days... *NM*
- 28/06/2017 12:03:46 AM
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So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing....
- 28/06/2017 05:47:26 PM
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It varies fairly significantly from location to location. MIT has a decent calculator.
- 28/06/2017 07:56:41 PM
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Re: So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing....
- 29/06/2017 05:08:56 AM
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