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The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM

If you have a social safety net I don't really have all that much of a problem with the idea of abolishing the minimum wage. But we've seen so many abuses of "the right of people to chose the prices they are willing to pay, and the right to enter into whatever sort of agreement suits their purpose" that it's really remarkable someone as well versed in history as yourself is arguing for a return to scrip and the company store.

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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage Anonymous2000 - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1719 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study damookster - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 1093 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 1098 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective Cannoli - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 967 Views
Exactly. If you have to pay people $15/hour as a McDonald's cashier, put in the robots instead. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:18:11 PM 1019 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 1035 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 1066 Views
Many? damookster - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 1063 Views
Amen. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 1044 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 972 Views
So is life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 990 Views
Re: So is life. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 997 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 1024 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 1058 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy damookster - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 986 Views
How is that really relevant, then? Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 960 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* Clover - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 699 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 563 Views
Personal choice damookster - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 1083 Views
Re: Personal choice Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 1064 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however The Shrike - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 1072 Views
Very good questions Tom - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 1003 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 1178 Views
Also, curtailing immigration, like keeping the minimum wage low, really only delays the inevitable. Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:05:58 PM 1020 Views
damn *NM* damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 642 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 607 Views
I wish. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 1028 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences random thoughts - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 1008 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 1018 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 1077 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 1124 Views
an apt comparison damookster - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 975 Views
So everyone who "can't" nossy - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 1027 Views
ummm damookster - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 930 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. nossy - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 1043 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions damookster - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 1065 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 1005 Views
Si nossy - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 1030 Views
Who said that? damookster - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 1092 Views
Who said what? nossy - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 964 Views
There is a huge difference.... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 1019 Views
Hyperbole is all well and good for internet memes but it really doesn' advance your argument. random thoughts - 03/07/2017 04:22:59 PM 946 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 1182 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* AgentApple - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 605 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 619 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 1161 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 981 Views
So just to put this out there... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 971 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... Ghavrel - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 930 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 1182 Views
The example for this post was for Seattle, or perhaps King County only. damookster - 29/06/2017 11:49:32 PM 1086 Views
"Attract labor"? Minimum wage labor? I believe you mean, violently repell businesses Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:31:36 PM 1064 Views
Like anything else not addressed in the Constitution, it should be up to state and local government damookster - 30/06/2017 05:22:51 PM 1075 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* Urza - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 648 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... Vodalus - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 1003 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. Clover - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 1145 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. Roland00 - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 948 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. Vodalus - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 1016 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. Legolas - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 1037 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* Tom - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 576 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* Legolas - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 583 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. The Shrike - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 991 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? Legolas - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 985 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s Tom - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 893 Views
Re: I think it started to change in the 1980s Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:05:23 PM 976 Views
Whether or not their views are shitty is a subjective determination Tom - 27/06/2017 11:15:22 PM 1004 Views
A decade under conservative deans would fix the situation nicely, I think. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:24:41 PM 932 Views
Yes! I wonder what Dean Wormer from Faber is doing these days... *NM* Tom - 28/06/2017 12:03:46 AM 468 Views
So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 05:47:26 PM 1076 Views
It varies fairly significantly from location to location. MIT has a decent calculator. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:56:41 PM 1536 Views
Re: So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 05:08:56 AM 1098 Views
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