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Nicely said. Or written. *NM* AgentApple Send a noteboard - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM

View original postWhen I was a teenager, I worked in a Burger King. The entire workforce was as white as the surrounding suburban area, and consisted of teenagers and college students. Almost none made fast food their career or had any intention of doing so.


View original postWhile I agree with the moral responsibility of an employer to pay employees a just and sufficient wage...children don't need living wages. Nor do students who are being otherwise subsidized. These people should not be undertaking extra responsibilities, or should get better jobs, if they want families and houses.


View original postA year or two after I left, my brother and foster sister started working at the same restaurant, and all their coworkers were Hispanic, which seems to be case now in almost all fast food restaurants in our area. I seem to have been at the tail end of something, where McDonalds and similar jobs were never intended to be careers or to provide a living for a family. While the employee demographics phased away from part-time workers, seeking supplementary income, to lower class workers, operating on a different scale, the point was not what the employees needed, but that it was a very simple, non-taxing job that almost everyone could be trained to do. I remember a commercial featuring a Downs Syndrome victim employed at McDonalds, which might have inspired that "Ding, fries are done" parody song in the 90s, that was supposed to impress people with McDonald's humanitarian ways, but in reality simply underscored the simplicity of the work.


View original postMcDonalds, and Walmart, don't pay their employees a lot, because they don't ask for a lot. The work is incredibly simple, requires zero skill, no technique, no experience and minimal training. The issue is not whether employees deserve a certain wage, the issue is whether or not a customer (which is what Burger King or Stop & Shop are in this case: customers buying labor) should be forced to pay higher prices for low quality goods. What if you went to the theater, or a sporting event or a concert, with tickets in the cheap seats, and upon trying to enter, were charged the price of a lower-level seat, on the assumption that you were somehow cheating the venue of its rightful remuneration, since you could still see and hear the performance? And then when you left rather than pay for something you didn't need or couldn't afford, venue employees came out to spit on you, shouting that you're taking food out of their kids' mouths? What if store owners came out to scream at you for not letting them make a living every time you turned away after seeing the prices in their windows, or brought in a coupon?


View original postWhat if the guy who delivered your pizza wanted to be paid $25 over and above the price of the food, for a ten minute trip? And when you told him you'd rather pick it up yourself, he pitched a fit and whined about his family, and talked about what a good driver he was, and all the effort he put into making sure your food got to your house as fast as humanly possible. You'd still tell him "Sorry buddy, but I'm just asking you to drive a pizza a mile or two. It is simply not a service I need at that cost." And then everyone went around calling you a greedy asshole and waving pictures of the delivery guy's children, blaming you for crushing their dreams and consigning them to welfare? That's the same thing as forcing employers to pay minimum wages.


View original postAnd sidebar analogy:


View original postWhat if 7-11 and Quick Chek and Wawa and the supermarkets all got together and formed a Milk Seller's Union and said they were not going to sell a gallon of milk for less than $6? That would be called collusion, and they would be treated like terrorists. Especially if the stores' personnel harassed their customers, demonstrated outside their customers' homes, threatened any store who undersold their price, and went around screaming at them while they tried to conduct business? Because that is EXACTLY what a strike is. People selling labor form a cartel to set a higher price and agree not to undersell each other, and try to get their price met by harassing their customers and anyone who tries to provide the same commodity at a lower price.


View original postEvery transaction is made because the terms are agreeable to both parties. There is set of criteria which are acceptable to a buyer, and a set which are acceptable to a seller (primarily an amount of money within a certain range). When they overlap, we get a transaction. If the government steps in to demand that transactions meet their own standards, the transaction is much less likely to happen, because now it has to fall into the overlap of three sets of criteria. Transactions happen, because people want or need things. Transactions being retarded means their wants and needs are not getting met, and no one is happy, aside from the people who thought they know better than everyone else, and have the right to tell strangers how to conduct their business.


View original postYou can't put unnatural strictures on transactions, because they are just going to get done anyway, but in unforeseen and unpredictable ways, and the laws of economics are not arbitrary legislation, they are observed phenomena, like the law of gravity. Politicians and activists can insist on trying to throw as many things as they can into the air, but everything has to come down eventually, and demanding that businesses and customers learn to juggle halfway through the process isn't a viable way to prevent the ensuing crashes. Demanding that every employment transaction meet an absurd standard, when the services rendered are not commensurate with that standard, isn't viable either.

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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1347 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 695 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 706 Views
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That is an incredibly silly argument. - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 685 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 706 Views
Many? - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 691 Views
Amen. - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 665 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 619 Views
So is life. - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 648 Views
Re: So is life. - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 654 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 647 Views
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That's a piss-poor analogy - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 651 Views
How is that really relevant, then? - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 611 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 498 Views
*NM* - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 363 Views
Personal choice - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 715 Views
Re: Personal choice - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 663 Views
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Very good questions - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 652 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 783 Views
damn *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 436 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 448 Views
I wish. - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 680 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 640 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 649 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 713 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 749 Views
an apt comparison - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 616 Views
So everyone who "can't" - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 636 Views
ummm - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 573 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 678 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 652 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 658 Views
Si - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 659 Views
Who said that? - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 733 Views
Who said what? - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 607 Views
There is a huge difference.... - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 660 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 792 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 403 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 432 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 777 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 628 Views
So just to put this out there... - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 613 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 598 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 791 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 389 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 667 Views
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Re: But the traffic is the WORST. - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 631 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 675 Views

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