View original postWhen I was a teenager, I worked in a Burger King. The entire workforce was as white as the surrounding suburban area, and consisted of teenagers and college students. Almost none made fast food their career or had any intention of doing so.
View original postWhile I agree with the moral responsibility of an employer to pay employees a just and sufficient wage...children don't need living wages. Nor do students who are being otherwise subsidized. These people should not be undertaking extra responsibilities, or should get better jobs, if they want families and houses.
View original postA year or two after I left, my brother and foster sister started working at the same restaurant, and all their coworkers were Hispanic, which seems to be case now in almost all fast food restaurants in our area. I seem to have been at the tail end of something, where McDonalds and similar jobs were never intended to be careers or to provide a living for a family. While the employee demographics phased away from part-time workers, seeking supplementary income, to lower class workers, operating on a different scale, the point was not what the employees needed, but that it was a very simple, non-taxing job that almost everyone could be trained to do. I remember a commercial featuring a Downs Syndrome victim employed at McDonalds, which might have inspired that "Ding, fries are done" parody song in the 90s, that was supposed to impress people with McDonald's humanitarian ways, but in reality simply underscored the simplicity of the work.
View original postMcDonalds, and Walmart, don't pay their employees a lot, because they don't ask for a lot. The work is incredibly simple, requires zero skill, no technique, no experience and minimal training. The issue is not whether employees deserve a certain wage, the issue is whether or not a customer (which is what Burger King or Stop & Shop are in this case: customers buying labor) should be forced to pay higher prices for low quality goods. What if you went to the theater, or a sporting event or a concert, with tickets in the cheap seats, and upon trying to enter, were charged the price of a lower-level seat, on the assumption that you were somehow cheating the venue of its rightful remuneration, since you could still see and hear the performance? And then when you left rather than pay for something you didn't need or couldn't afford, venue employees came out to spit on you, shouting that you're taking food out of their kids' mouths? What if store owners came out to scream at you for not letting them make a living every time you turned away after seeing the prices in their windows, or brought in a coupon?
View original postWhat if the guy who delivered your pizza wanted to be paid $25 over and above the price of the food, for a ten minute trip? And when you told him you'd rather pick it up yourself, he pitched a fit and whined about his family, and talked about what a good driver he was, and all the effort he put into making sure your food got to your house as fast as humanly possible. You'd still tell him "Sorry buddy, but I'm just asking you to drive a pizza a mile or two. It is simply not a service I need at that cost." And then everyone went around calling you a greedy asshole and waving pictures of the delivery guy's children, blaming you for crushing their dreams and consigning them to welfare? That's the same thing as forcing employers to pay minimum wages.
View original postAnd sidebar analogy:
View original postWhat if 7-11 and Quick Chek and Wawa and the supermarkets all got together and formed a Milk Seller's Union and said they were not going to sell a gallon of milk for less than $6? That would be called collusion, and they would be treated like terrorists. Especially if the stores' personnel harassed their customers, demonstrated outside their customers' homes, threatened any store who undersold their price, and went around screaming at them while they tried to conduct business? Because that is EXACTLY what a strike is. People selling labor form a cartel to set a higher price and agree not to undersell each other, and try to get their price met by harassing their customers and anyone who tries to provide the same commodity at a lower price.
View original postEvery transaction is made because the terms are agreeable to both parties. There is set of criteria which are acceptable to a buyer, and a set which are acceptable to a seller (primarily an amount of money within a certain range). When they overlap, we get a transaction. If the government steps in to demand that transactions meet their own standards, the transaction is much less likely to happen, because now it has to fall into the overlap of three sets of criteria. Transactions happen, because people want or need things. Transactions being retarded means their wants and needs are not getting met, and no one is happy, aside from the people who thought they know better than everyone else, and have the right to tell strangers how to conduct their business.
View original postYou can't put unnatural strictures on transactions, because they are just going to get done anyway, but in unforeseen and unpredictable ways, and the laws of economics are not arbitrary legislation, they are observed phenomena, like the law of gravity. Politicians and activists can insist on trying to throw as many things as they can into the air, but everything has to come down eventually, and demanding that businesses and customers learn to juggle halfway through the process isn't a viable way to prevent the ensuing crashes. Demanding that every employment transaction meet an absurd standard, when the services rendered are not commensurate with that standard, isn't viable either.
Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage
27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM
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Seattle is a poor choice for a case study
27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM
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Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers.
27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM
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That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective
27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM
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Exactly. If you have to pay people $15/hour as a McDonald's cashier, put in the robots instead.
27/06/2017 07:18:11 PM
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Many?
27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM
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Yes, many. My office is full of them.
27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM
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So is life.
27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM
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Re: So is life.
27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM
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My father worked two jobs his entire working life.
27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM
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We have a 40 hour work week for a reason.
27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM
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That's a piss-poor analogy
27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM
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How is that really relevant, then?
27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM
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I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM*
28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM
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Personal choice
28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM
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Re: Personal choice
28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM
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In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however
28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM
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Also, curtailing immigration, like keeping the minimum wage low, really only delays the inevitable.
29/06/2017 11:05:58 PM
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damn *NM*
27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM
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Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences
28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM
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You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die.
28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM
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But this same arguement can be flipped by....
28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM
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I feel like you're making my arguments for me here.
28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM
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an apt comparison
28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM
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So everyone who "can't"
29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM
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ummm
29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM
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I know. And I disagree with you.
29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM
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Health care and minimum wage are different discussions
29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM
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I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by...
29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM
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Hyperbole is all well and good for internet memes but it really doesn' advance your argument.
03/07/2017 04:22:59 PM
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Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this?
29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM
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Nicely said. Or written. *NM*
29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM
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All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM*
29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM
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How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"?
29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM
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The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread?
29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM
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So just to put this out there...
29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM
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The example for this post was for Seattle, or perhaps King County only.
29/06/2017 11:49:32 PM
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"Attract labor"? Minimum wage labor? I believe you mean, violently repell businesses
30/06/2017 03:31:36 PM
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Like anything else not addressed in the Constitution, it should be up to state and local government
30/06/2017 05:22:51 PM
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Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate...
27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM
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Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM*
27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM
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I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM*
27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM
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Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism.
27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM
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But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic?
27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM
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I think it started to change in the 1980s
27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM
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Re: I think it started to change in the 1980s
27/06/2017 09:05:23 PM
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Whether or not their views are shitty is a subjective determination
27/06/2017 11:15:22 PM
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A decade under conservative deans would fix the situation nicely, I think.
27/06/2017 11:24:41 PM
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Yes! I wonder what Dean Wormer from Faber is doing these days... *NM*
28/06/2017 12:03:46 AM
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So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing....
28/06/2017 05:47:26 PM
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It varies fairly significantly from location to location. MIT has a decent calculator.
28/06/2017 07:56:41 PM
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Re: So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing....
29/06/2017 05:08:56 AM
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