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If you assume wages can't go lower... Cannoli Send a noteboard - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM

Of course increasing the minimum wage is going to accelerate the rate of adoption of automated technologies. But unless you take the patently foolish view that there's no economic pressure to develop automation (there is) and that automation is only going to remain cost-effective at around $15 an hour (it's not), you're merely delaying the inevitable in any case.


Someone can always underbid the machines, once government is no longer mandating a minimum wage.

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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage Anonymous2000 - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1347 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study damookster - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 695 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 706 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective Cannoli - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 640 Views
Exactly. If you have to pay people $15/hour as a McDonald's cashier, put in the robots instead. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:18:11 PM 678 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 685 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 706 Views
Many? damookster - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 690 Views
Amen. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 665 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 618 Views
So is life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 648 Views
Re: So is life. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 653 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 647 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 695 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy damookster - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 651 Views
How is that really relevant, then? Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 611 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* Clover - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 498 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 362 Views
Personal choice damookster - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 715 Views
Re: Personal choice Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 662 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however The Shrike - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 666 Views
Very good questions Tom - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 651 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 783 Views
Also, curtailing immigration, like keeping the minimum wage low, really only delays the inevitable. Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:05:58 PM 648 Views
damn *NM* damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 435 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 448 Views
I wish. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 679 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences random thoughts - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 640 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 648 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 712 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 749 Views
an apt comparison damookster - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 616 Views
So everyone who "can't" nossy - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 636 Views
ummm damookster - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 572 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. nossy - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 678 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions damookster - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 652 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 657 Views
Si nossy - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 658 Views
Who said that? damookster - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 733 Views
Who said what? nossy - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 607 Views
There is a huge difference.... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 660 Views
Hyperbole is all well and good for internet memes but it really doesn' advance your argument. random thoughts - 03/07/2017 04:22:59 PM 570 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 792 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* AgentApple - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 402 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 432 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 777 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 627 Views
So just to put this out there... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 613 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... Ghavrel - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 597 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 791 Views
The example for this post was for Seattle, or perhaps King County only. damookster - 29/06/2017 11:49:32 PM 721 Views
"Attract labor"? Minimum wage labor? I believe you mean, violently repell businesses Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:31:36 PM 696 Views
Like anything else not addressed in the Constitution, it should be up to state and local government damookster - 30/06/2017 05:22:51 PM 687 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* Urza - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 389 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... Vodalus - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 667 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. Clover - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 722 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. Roland00 - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 584 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. Vodalus - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 631 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. Legolas - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 675 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* Tom - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 360 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* Legolas - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 395 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. The Shrike - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 638 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? Legolas - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 630 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s Tom - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 538 Views
Re: I think it started to change in the 1980s Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:05:23 PM 618 Views
Whether or not their views are shitty is a subjective determination Tom - 27/06/2017 11:15:22 PM 639 Views
A decade under conservative deans would fix the situation nicely, I think. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:24:41 PM 591 Views
Yes! I wonder what Dean Wormer from Faber is doing these days... *NM* Tom - 28/06/2017 12:03:46 AM 283 Views
So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 05:47:26 PM 715 Views
It varies fairly significantly from location to location. MIT has a decent calculator. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:56:41 PM 1158 Views
Re: So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 05:08:56 AM 688 Views
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