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But this same arguement can be flipped by.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM

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I'm arguing for food, shelter, and healthcare. Not cars and iPhones.

I'm not letting them die. They are letting themselves die. Why can't they take care of themselves? They are adults, yes? They are responsible for their own lives, yes?

Taken to the nth degree, wouldn't this just be social Darwinism....survival of the fittest? It is cold, cruel, and horrible, and I am by no means advocating for it. However the arguments should be made as to why we would artificially inflate the value of non-skilled labor. Are we going to increase the entire wage-compensation structure accordingly? So that skilled labor that was getting paid $18.50 is going to get a $10 increase too, yes? Isn't that fair?

Or does making some "fair" only count for some.....?

~Jeordam

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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage Anonymous2000 - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1759 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study damookster - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 1152 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 1136 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective Cannoli - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 1010 Views
Exactly. If you have to pay people $15/hour as a McDonald's cashier, put in the robots instead. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:18:11 PM 1055 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 1064 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 1103 Views
Many? damookster - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 1099 Views
Amen. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 1079 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 1016 Views
So is life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 1022 Views
Re: So is life. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 1040 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 1068 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 1093 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy damookster - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 1020 Views
How is that really relevant, then? Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 997 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* Clover - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 723 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 589 Views
Personal choice damookster - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 1124 Views
Re: Personal choice Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 1112 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however The Shrike - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 1106 Views
Very good questions Tom - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 1052 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 1219 Views
Also, curtailing immigration, like keeping the minimum wage low, really only delays the inevitable. Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:05:58 PM 1055 Views
damn *NM* damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 668 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 640 Views
I wish. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 1076 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences random thoughts - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 1040 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 1050 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 1121 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 1164 Views
an apt comparison damookster - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 1017 Views
So everyone who "can't" nossy - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 1061 Views
ummm damookster - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 966 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. nossy - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 1087 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions damookster - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 1107 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 1041 Views
Si nossy - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 1069 Views
Who said that? damookster - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 1136 Views
Who said what? nossy - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 996 Views
There is a huge difference.... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 1061 Views
Hyperbole is all well and good for internet memes but it really doesn' advance your argument. random thoughts - 03/07/2017 04:22:59 PM 998 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 1231 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* AgentApple - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 626 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 659 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 1208 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 1019 Views
So just to put this out there... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 1002 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... Ghavrel - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 965 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 1227 Views
The example for this post was for Seattle, or perhaps King County only. damookster - 29/06/2017 11:49:32 PM 1124 Views
"Attract labor"? Minimum wage labor? I believe you mean, violently repell businesses Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:31:36 PM 1095 Views
Like anything else not addressed in the Constitution, it should be up to state and local government damookster - 30/06/2017 05:22:51 PM 1116 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* Urza - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 665 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... Vodalus - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 1050 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. Clover - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 1185 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. Roland00 - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 997 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. Vodalus - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 1051 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. Legolas - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 1084 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* Tom - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 602 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* Legolas - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 610 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. The Shrike - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 1030 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? Legolas - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 1028 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s Tom - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 931 Views
Re: I think it started to change in the 1980s Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:05:23 PM 1012 Views
Whether or not their views are shitty is a subjective determination Tom - 27/06/2017 11:15:22 PM 1047 Views
A decade under conservative deans would fix the situation nicely, I think. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:24:41 PM 969 Views
Yes! I wonder what Dean Wormer from Faber is doing these days... *NM* Tom - 28/06/2017 12:03:46 AM 491 Views
So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 05:47:26 PM 1113 Views
It varies fairly significantly from location to location. MIT has a decent calculator. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:56:41 PM 1571 Views
Re: So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 05:08:56 AM 1141 Views
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