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Re: I think it started to change in the 1980s Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 27/06/2017 09:05:23 PM

There's been such a split that I usually try to make the distinction between "leftists" and "progressives," with the former focusing more on labor issues and the latter focusing more on identity politics. There is of course substantial overlap, but there are a lot of pissed off members of each group who want nothing to do with the other. The vitriol hurled between the Clinton and Sanders camps is a good example of that mechanic at work.


View original postIf you look at the pre-Woodstock/hippie culture in America, you see the phrase "liberal" applied to people in the Democratic Party who were for civil liberties (free speech, free press, etc. ) and who also believed in the New Deal and the idea of the safety net. This was back when the American Civil Liberties Union fought tooth and nail to let the Nazi Party march through Skokie, Illinois, and most of the Left supported the ACLU position as much as they hated the Nazis (1977).

This, unfortunately, seems to be a dying breed. You either get yelled at by scrawny Antifa wannabes for allowing conservatives to walk the streets unmolested or you get labelled a racist for saying college students shouldn't pull fire alarms to interrupt speakers with shitty views.

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1347 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 695 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 706 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 640 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 685 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 706 Views
Many? - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 691 Views
Amen. - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 665 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 619 Views
So is life. - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 648 Views
Re: So is life. - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 654 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 647 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 695 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 651 Views
How is that really relevant, then? - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 611 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 498 Views
*NM* - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 362 Views
Personal choice - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 715 Views
Re: Personal choice - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 662 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 666 Views
Very good questions - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 652 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 783 Views
damn *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 436 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 448 Views
I wish. - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 680 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 640 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 649 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 713 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 749 Views
an apt comparison - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 616 Views
So everyone who "can't" - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 636 Views
ummm - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 573 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 678 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 652 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 658 Views
Si - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 658 Views
Who said that? - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 733 Views
Who said what? - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 607 Views
There is a huge difference.... - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 660 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 792 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 402 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 432 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 777 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 628 Views
So just to put this out there... - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 613 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 597 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 791 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 389 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 667 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 722 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 584 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 631 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 675 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 360 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 395 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 639 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 630 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 538 Views
Re: I think it started to change in the 1980s - 27/06/2017 09:05:23 PM 619 Views

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