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But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? Legolas Send a noteboard - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM

View original postI know the NYT, one of the two newspapers of record, always has to explain when talking about a Liberal party in another country not being "liberal" in the US usage of the word. For instance when talking about Australian political parties they will give the explanation. So if the NYT is doing it for its readers, who are usually much more educated than the average reader in the US, then it's not too surprising that the word gets used as it does here.

I mean, just the obvious etymological link to 'liberty' should be enough to make one go 'Huh, funny that you'd call it liberal to tell companies what wages to pay'.
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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage Anonymous2000 - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1409 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study damookster - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 754 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 761 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective Cannoli - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 666 Views
Exactly. If you have to pay people $15/hour as a McDonald's cashier, put in the robots instead. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:18:11 PM 740 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 744 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 761 Views
Many? damookster - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 747 Views
Amen. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 723 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 673 Views
So is life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 702 Views
Re: So is life. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 674 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 706 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 750 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy damookster - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 702 Views
How is that really relevant, then? Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 660 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* Clover - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 520 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 385 Views
Personal choice damookster - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 773 Views
Re: Personal choice Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 720 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however The Shrike - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 723 Views
Very good questions Tom - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 711 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 829 Views
Also, curtailing immigration, like keeping the minimum wage low, really only delays the inevitable. Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:05:58 PM 707 Views
damn *NM* damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 461 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 467 Views
I wish. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 731 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences random thoughts - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 689 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 704 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 764 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 798 Views
an apt comparison damookster - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 667 Views
So everyone who "can't" nossy - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 698 Views
ummm damookster - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 624 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. nossy - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 737 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions damookster - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 710 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 710 Views
Si nossy - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 712 Views
Who said that? damookster - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 783 Views
Who said what? nossy - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 658 Views
There is a huge difference.... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 715 Views
Hyperbole is all well and good for internet memes but it really doesn' advance your argument. random thoughts - 03/07/2017 04:22:59 PM 628 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 850 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* AgentApple - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 426 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 457 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 831 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 685 Views
So just to put this out there... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 667 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... Ghavrel - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 653 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 849 Views
The example for this post was for Seattle, or perhaps King County only. damookster - 29/06/2017 11:49:32 PM 773 Views
"Attract labor"? Minimum wage labor? I believe you mean, violently repell businesses Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:31:36 PM 751 Views
Like anything else not addressed in the Constitution, it should be up to state and local government damookster - 30/06/2017 05:22:51 PM 739 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* Urza - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 414 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... Vodalus - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 696 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. Clover - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 780 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. Roland00 - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 638 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. Vodalus - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 687 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. Legolas - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 740 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* Tom - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 383 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* Legolas - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 418 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. The Shrike - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 691 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? Legolas - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 690 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s Tom - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 589 Views
Re: I think it started to change in the 1980s Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:05:23 PM 667 Views
Whether or not their views are shitty is a subjective determination Tom - 27/06/2017 11:15:22 PM 701 Views
A decade under conservative deans would fix the situation nicely, I think. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:24:41 PM 645 Views
Yes! I wonder what Dean Wormer from Faber is doing these days... *NM* Tom - 28/06/2017 12:03:46 AM 307 Views
So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 05:47:26 PM 761 Views
It varies fairly significantly from location to location. MIT has a decent calculator. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:56:41 PM 1210 Views
Re: So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 05:08:56 AM 751 Views
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