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But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? Legolas Send a noteboard - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM

View original postI know the NYT, one of the two newspapers of record, always has to explain when talking about a Liberal party in another country not being "liberal" in the US usage of the word. For instance when talking about Australian political parties they will give the explanation. So if the NYT is doing it for its readers, who are usually much more educated than the average reader in the US, then it's not too surprising that the word gets used as it does here.

I mean, just the obvious etymological link to 'liberty' should be enough to make one go 'Huh, funny that you'd call it liberal to tell companies what wages to pay'.
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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage Anonymous2000 - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1449 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study damookster - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 816 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 800 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective Cannoli - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 703 Views
Exactly. If you have to pay people $15/hour as a McDonald's cashier, put in the robots instead. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:18:11 PM 770 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 785 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 801 Views
Many? damookster - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 788 Views
Amen. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 760 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 716 Views
So is life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 744 Views
Re: So is life. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 720 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 748 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 787 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy damookster - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 737 Views
How is that really relevant, then? Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 702 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* Clover - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 545 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 406 Views
Personal choice damookster - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 815 Views
Re: Personal choice Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 764 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however The Shrike - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 767 Views
Very good questions Tom - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 753 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 871 Views
Also, curtailing immigration, like keeping the minimum wage low, really only delays the inevitable. Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:05:58 PM 743 Views
damn *NM* damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 478 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 486 Views
I wish. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 775 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences random thoughts - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 729 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 744 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 811 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 839 Views
an apt comparison damookster - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 703 Views
So everyone who "can't" nossy - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 737 Views
ummm damookster - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 666 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. nossy - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 783 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions damookster - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 758 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 746 Views
Si nossy - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 755 Views
Who said that? damookster - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 820 Views
Who said what? nossy - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 697 Views
There is a huge difference.... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 761 Views
Hyperbole is all well and good for internet memes but it really doesn' advance your argument. random thoughts - 03/07/2017 04:22:59 PM 664 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 893 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* AgentApple - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 448 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 475 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 869 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 722 Views
So just to put this out there... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 710 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... Ghavrel - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 693 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 899 Views
The example for this post was for Seattle, or perhaps King County only. damookster - 29/06/2017 11:49:32 PM 811 Views
"Attract labor"? Minimum wage labor? I believe you mean, violently repell businesses Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:31:36 PM 784 Views
Like anything else not addressed in the Constitution, it should be up to state and local government damookster - 30/06/2017 05:22:51 PM 781 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* Urza - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 504 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... Vodalus - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 731 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. Clover - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 831 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. Roland00 - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 679 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. Vodalus - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 724 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. Legolas - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 777 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* Tom - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 403 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* Legolas - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 436 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. The Shrike - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 726 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? Legolas - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 742 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s Tom - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 625 Views
Re: I think it started to change in the 1980s Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:05:23 PM 704 Views
Whether or not their views are shitty is a subjective determination Tom - 27/06/2017 11:15:22 PM 736 Views
A decade under conservative deans would fix the situation nicely, I think. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:24:41 PM 688 Views
Yes! I wonder what Dean Wormer from Faber is doing these days... *NM* Tom - 28/06/2017 12:03:46 AM 324 Views
So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 05:47:26 PM 801 Views
It varies fairly significantly from location to location. MIT has a decent calculator. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:56:41 PM 1246 Views
Re: So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 05:08:56 AM 788 Views
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