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I've read it somewhat carefully. I think I said my point poorly, though. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 16/06/2017 03:23:26 AM

My claim was not that the Freikorps were anti-Weimar forces. It was that the Republic was destabilized in part by the creation of paramilitary groups. The Freikorps survived while the communists did not, but the devolution of state power to independent armed groups weakened the Republic.

I could have used Liebknecht and Luxemburg, yeah, but they ended up dead, so I went with the people who were still alive and whom Hitler had courted. The person I was talking to claimed Hitler arose to power because there was an obsession with the rule of law in the Weimar Republic that prevented any violence from occurring.

I should have been more careful with my wording, but I don't think we disagree here. I was bringing up the Freikorps in my conversations with others who were arguing for violence instead of resolving disputes through the legal system, and I was using them as an example of what you just said--"Everyone was seeking to resolve disputes in radical, violent ways and everyone was looking for a strong leader to push whatever agenda they had."

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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