There are valid points, but rather a lot of bullshit inbetween for my taste.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 14/06/2017 07:07:10 PM
View original postI think this column is highly apropos given the events in D.C. this morning. A few caveats: I don't know anything about this author. I just remember reading this last week and agreeing with it. If the author turns out to be some insane person, I don't care. I agree with what he wrote here not somewhere else.
Let me be clear: what happened in DC was awful and it looks likely that the demonization of Republicans by the left played a large role in it, so I sympathize with the general thrust of the article. But on the other hand, there's so much bullshit in it that shows the author is partisan enough to ignore facts in favour of ideology whenever convenient, that it doesn't seem particularly helpful in de-escalating and actually doing something about the problem.
Unlike, to give credit where credit is due, the president's statement.
View original postImmediately after their loss, Democrats did not turn introspective and try to discover why, after eight years of a personally popular president, voters across the country had rejected them in record numbers at every level of government. No, they turned in anger at those who beat them, and no one has had more of that anger directed at them than President Trump.
Rejected them in record numbers at every level of government? That's funny, considering Democratic candidates won the popular vote for the presidency by 3 million votes and for the Senate by 11 million. Of course the point that the Democratic elite could do with more introspection about the election outcome is valid enough, but as ruining a valid point by throwing in completely unnecessary bullshit goes, this paragraph is almost Trumpian.
View original postHe’s the accidental president, in their minds, someone unworthy of even the basic respect for the office that used to be the norm in politics.
That might be because he fails to reach even the basic semblance of adequacy and competence that used to be the norm in politics. Let's not confuse the issue by trying to pretend Trump is a normal president who deserves a normal amount of respect. Here as well, the issue at hand didn't even require such nonsense and the point could've been made without it; ask yourself what things would've been like with, say, President Ted Cruz, and you'll see that a large part of this atmosphere of hatred on the left would've been there even with a serious Republican president, except maybe for the kind of Republican who is so moderate he/she'd never win the primary anyway.
View original postWorse, they are stoking fears to the point that even the casual observer is left with the impression they’re hoping someone “corrects” that accident.
That rather depends on who 'they' is - certainly, some people on the left are doing that, but if 'they' means Democratic leadership, that's a pretty far-reaching accusation.
View original postHow else can one interpret the left’s continual equating of the president to Adolf Hitler? What is implied in saying the man’s actions on an otherwise insignificant international agreement “is a grave threat to our planet?”
Comparing Trump to Hitler is asinine and, I agree, the kind of hateful rhetoric that we can do without. With you there. The second part is another big stretch, though. Not that Pelosi's statement isn't hyperbolic and cheap, but interpreting 'a grave threat to our planet' as a call to violence is pretty silly.
View original postBillionaire liberal financier and green energy profiteer Tom Steyer said pulling the US out of the Paris accord would “be committing a traitorous act of war against the American people.”
Well, okay, that one's just batshit crazy.
View original postSupposed journalists stripped clear all standards to proclaim their outrage. “Donald Trump, Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner, Rick Perry & Steve Bannon walk into a bar & the bar is the earth & it overheats & we all die,” was but one example of their calm “analysis.”
View original postCelebrities and politicians all pronounced the president to be an enemy of the planet, of the people; a threat to life itself.
View original postThe Huffington Post declared, “Trump To Planet: Drop Dead.”
View original postAll this was made more ironic by the fact this gaggle of pearl clutchers had, just a few years ago, accused Sarah Palin of inciting the deadly shooting in Tucson that gravely injured former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords.
View original postHuffPo itself ran a piece entitled, “Words Have Consequences,” which preached on the dangers of over-the-top rhetoric. It read:
View original postToday we have seen the results of this rhetoric. Those with a megaphone, whether provided by public office or a media outlet, have responsibilities. They cannot avoid the consequences of their blatant efforts to inflame, anger, and outrage. We all know that there are unstable and potentially dangerous people among us. To repeatedly appeal to their basest instincts is to invite and welcome their predictable violence.
View original postOf course, we hadn’t “seen the results” of anything of the sort. The killer was a left-wing rabid hater of President George W. Bush who’d never seen the “crosshairs” on Palin’s website and most likely hated her just as much.
Basically agree with the above, except that a quick check on Wikipedia doesn't back up the bit about Giffords' attacker being left-wing at all (hater of GW Bush, yes, but if those two things were one and the same, one would have to conclude most of the Tea Party is left-wing). Possibly further research would change that.
View original postBe it declaring the president a traitor, equating him with history’s greatest monster, or a danger to the continued existence of our species, the political left clearly wishes him and anyone who agrees with him on any issue to be a threat. And, in the mind of the unstable, threats, especially on that scale, must be eliminated.
You could write the above paragraph about rather a long list of left-wing individuals and it would be more or less accurate. That doesn't make it okay or even remotely helpful to write it about 'the political left' as a whole, though. You don't solve the problem of political polarization and demonization of the other side pushing people into violence, by further promoting polarization and further demonizing the other side.
View original postIt may not be an attack on the president they inspire. Maybe it’ll be a speaker on a college campus, or a member of Congress, or a local city council. Whatever the case, the hatred they’re stoking is boiling, and for the sake of fundraising and to appease their base, they’re more than happy to turn up the heat.
Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, pot. Though the point remains valid even so. There's nothing wrong with focusing first on the faults of the other side, it's what anyone would do - as long as you have the intellectual honesty to then reflect on your own side as well. Maybe not necessarily in the same column - possibly I'm being unfair on this guy. But, like Joe, I can only judge him by the one column.
The Left Won’t Rest Until Someone Gets Killed
14/06/2017 02:47:58 PM
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I will say this regarding the Democrats lack of introspection after the November loss.
14/06/2017 02:58:17 PM
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The funny thing about violence is you can't control it.
14/06/2017 04:31:35 PM
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So you thought that would scare me Tom?
14/06/2017 09:30:34 PM
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The aim was not to scare anyone. It was to show that violence is not controllable.
15/06/2017 04:24:12 AM
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especially since the gunman has been identified
14/06/2017 05:42:14 PM
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Bernie isn't a Democrat, though
14/06/2017 06:31:28 PM
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How embarrassing that he accidentally ran for their presidential nomination!
14/06/2017 07:18:57 PM
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Not an accident
14/06/2017 07:28:12 PM
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well no other democrats wanted to run against her there was an opening *NM*
15/06/2017 09:41:50 PM
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I think the gunman has more in common with people who beat their wives than Bernie Sanders
14/06/2017 09:08:54 PM
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There are valid points, but rather a lot of bullshit inbetween for my taste.
14/06/2017 07:07:10 PM
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Obviously excessive hyperbole is a problem from both sides
14/06/2017 07:20:59 PM
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No Derek Hunter is not all knowing, he repeats the same schtick and eventually it may come true. *NM*
14/06/2017 08:59:14 PM
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There you go again.
14/06/2017 07:52:47 PM
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Yeah, that part sucked....
14/06/2017 09:14:10 PM
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What Can I say, Derek Hunter is a publicity whore, and has made his living making culture wars
14/06/2017 08:58:07 PM
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I find myself drifting more and more to the right
14/06/2017 08:26:26 PM
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I don't, or at least not in an American context, but I agree about the dead horse.
14/06/2017 09:32:23 PM
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I agree with Tom's premise, if not the content.
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I really should post more. We're letting Tom and Cannoli get away with far too much.
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It would still be a pretty right-wing site
15/06/2017 02:58:30 PM
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funny you would say that
15/06/2017 03:20:58 PM
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I so miss Camilla.
15/06/2017 08:50:36 PM
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I never could tell when you were being sarcastic and when not. On the whole I'm thinking yes.
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15/06/2017 08:48:54 PM
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Sad but true - the left is truly unhinged, full of violence and hate
15/06/2017 03:36:20 AM
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I was considering making a post called "what the fuck is wrong with progressives?"
15/06/2017 06:49:10 AM
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It's because they have begun to eat themselves.
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Yeah, but...
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The day I realized that I didn't know every damned thing was when I at last gained a little wisdom.
15/06/2017 03:30:07 PM
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It's only nuts if you see the left as a single group that can be led and controlled.
15/06/2017 09:04:05 PM
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It's nuts because the left sees everyone as a single group that can be led and controlled.
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I think I understand that, actually. A libertarian friend pointed it out to me.
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I can promise you they haven't read their history.
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No offense intended, but have *you* read it carefully?
16/06/2017 01:41:19 AM
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I've read it somewhat carefully. I think I said my point poorly, though.
16/06/2017 03:23:26 AM
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An obsession with the rule of law in Weimar Germany?
16/06/2017 04:26:30 AM
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Also, I don't mind people bluntly telling me I'm wrong when they have good reason to.
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16/06/2017 03:24:14 AM
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Their shenanigans actually hurt their cause.
15/06/2017 03:32:09 PM
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Also, they're just puerile. Pussy hats? Seriously? If you want to be taken seriously, dress properly
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Most Americans laugh at "microaggressions" and phrases like "toxic masculinity"
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I unironically use some of those
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Why do you hate the word gaslighting?
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It's used by progressives whenever someone disagrees with them.
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So let me come at this from a different angle
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I hope this doesn't offend, but you sound like you're talking to a child.
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I fear for any child on the receiving end of whatever that was. *NM*
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POC
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Point of Contact
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WTF? "Good needs"? That doesn't even make any sense!
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I have some good needs
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You're special no matter what. You're the only you there is. </Mr. Rogers> *NM*
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My opinion on this
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No
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