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A vital part of role-playing is forcing the player to deal with the consequences of their actions lord-of-shadow Send a noteboard - 27/02/2010 11:53:56 PM
If there are no consequences, then the role-playing decisions are aesthetic.

The Jack vs. Miranda thing is meant to be a part of that. How often does the real captain of a crew like this have perfect loyalty from all of them? Especially from such wildly varied personalities? Never, really. I think it is fantastic that Bioware set things up so that it is difficult to make it through the game with everyone surviving and loving you. Because that's more believable.

Your argument is strange to me. To my ears, you're complaining that you want more role-playing, and your reason for that is so that you can have an outcome that is almost the antithesis of role-playing: a perfect outcome, where regardless of your actions and role, you win and gain the perfect everything.

Which is not to say that I think Bioware executed some of this stuff as well as they should have - the Jack vs. Miranda scene in particular felt extremely forced and artificial to me - but at no point do I think they made a mistake in requiring you to have a high paragon or renegade score to gain a flawless outcome.
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By the way, my game was surprisingly buggy ironclad - 23/02/2010 08:49:28 AM 1826 Views
Huh, I never got that. I only got one kind of bug. Aemon - 23/02/2010 04:06:17 PM 1601 Views
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A complaint about the Morality system. (Or, how Mass Effect semi-killed roleplaying). Kronin al'Sulc - 27/02/2010 06:40:35 AM 1751 Views
Re: A complaint about the Morality system. (Or, how Mass Effect semi-killed roleplaying). ironclad - 27/02/2010 12:28:29 PM 1597 Views
Re: A complaint about the Morality system. (Or, how Mass Effect semi-killed roleplaying). Kronin al'Sulc - 27/02/2010 04:57:43 PM 1648 Views
Re: A complaint about the Morality system. (Or, how Mass Effect semi-killed roleplaying). ironclad - 28/02/2010 12:34:31 AM 1709 Views
I suppose. Kronin al'Sulc - 28/02/2010 03:29:23 AM 1691 Views
A vital part of role-playing is forcing the player to deal with the consequences of their actions lord-of-shadow - 27/02/2010 11:53:56 PM 1949 Views
Admittedly, my post was somewhat stream-of-consciousness. Kronin al'Sulc - 28/02/2010 03:28:02 AM 1663 Views
That's more understandable. lord-of-shadow - 28/02/2010 05:58:59 AM 1668 Views
Yeah, the tradeoff already works just fine. Aemon - 28/02/2010 06:05:44 AM 1645 Views
ok that's weird ironclad - 10/03/2010 06:52:39 PM 1674 Views
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