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I make my OWN storyline. Joel Send a noteboard - 10/09/2012 06:35:43 PM
Imoen dual classes as a mage in Baldur's Gate II, so aside from that brief period where I get to use Yoshimo, I'm typically stuck with very little rogues :P.

i understand why: so you have to rely on Yoshimo and then experience the betrayal, but the long story is that you're without a decent thief, as the only practicing thief is Jan, for hours and hours and hours of gameplay. unless the PC is one.

Yoshimo was not bad but, as you note, is only a temporary option. On the other hand, rolling up a straight and a dual/multi-class thief, maxing their stealth and making one a trap specialist while the other handles locks covers all thieving bases quite well. For that matter, if you are only taking a thief under duress, you can do the same thing with two F/Ts and have them both backstabbing with fighter THAC0. Once you have the multi-player party you want there is no reason at all not to just move the game file to the Save folder (or just overwrite completely with the MPSave folder) and go back to single player.


could i play without Minsc's craziness or those cool little NPC side quests?

You can always leave one or two slots open for NPC questing though. On my last playthrough I just went with a paladin, stalker, F/T and F/M, which was plenty, and still left slots free so I could drag Nalia and Valygar along until snagging multiple strongholds.

Also when you have a MP party and you have all these dual classed characters you miss out on all these cool class kits. Assassins are awesome with their x7 rather than x5 backstab multipliers and the wizard slayer kit is cool.

As noted above, you are not obligated to dual/multi-class them ALL, hence I had a stalker and undead hunter in my party.
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Baldurs Gate Enhanced Edition: Edit 2 with added video & launch delay Foxhead - 07/09/2012 09:48:16 PM 2714 Views
!!!!! Kotagg - 07/09/2012 10:49:47 PM 1356 Views
are they created kindly or cruelly? Foxhead - 08/09/2012 05:34:36 PM 1315 Views
Lol! Realistically, if exaggerated to heroic levels. Kotagg - 09/09/2012 07:56:32 PM 1335 Views
I played the hell out of BG2, but only played BG1 once beetnemesis - 08/09/2012 06:07:15 AM 1458 Views
BGI is a lot more fun because a lot more challenging, IMHO. Joel - 08/09/2012 02:33:17 PM 1329 Views
*revelation* Foxhead - 08/09/2012 05:45:28 PM 1286 Views
You need not be behind them to assassinate (the high level thief ability.) Joel - 08/09/2012 06:04:31 PM 1320 Views
ahh yes i remember, every hit is a backstab for 30 seconds or something. Foxhead - 08/09/2012 07:07:12 PM 1388 Views
Right; it is pretty much an instakill, considering the multipliers at the level it becomes available Joel - 08/09/2012 09:03:47 PM 1278 Views
fireballs are so epic in BG1 Foxhead - 08/09/2012 05:41:34 PM 1327 Views
I disagree about it being the only good third level spell;lighting bolt and haste are also excellent Joel - 08/09/2012 06:26:08 PM 1435 Views
Yeah, I loved Lightning Bolt. Fanatic-Templar - 08/09/2012 06:44:59 PM 1259 Views
it was such a liability Foxhead - 08/09/2012 07:11:36 PM 1311 Views
Bouncing is what makes lightning bolts great, because you get to hit people more than once. Joel - 08/09/2012 08:59:10 PM 1248 Views
There's an unfortunate Wizard in the Firewine Bridge Ruins... Fanatic-Templar - 09/09/2012 12:58:18 AM 1345 Views
Oops. Joel - 09/09/2012 01:43:23 AM 1341 Views
that's why BG1 was so awesome. exploration=rewards Foxhead - 09/09/2012 09:09:22 AM 1309 Views
For sure; it made additional playthroughs fun even after beating the game. Joel - 09/09/2012 04:48:40 PM 1398 Views
Yeah, got to keep one of each on hand. Joel - 08/09/2012 08:57:31 PM 1218 Views
Also, FB and Skull Trap are also almost interchangeable until 10th level, but ST damage is uncapped. Joel - 09/09/2012 02:02:17 AM 1824 Views
Multi-player was actually pretty simple if you just used it to create your whole party. Joel - 08/09/2012 02:19:35 PM 1304 Views
well yeah, because there was no connection to figure out Foxhead - 08/09/2012 06:59:49 PM 1412 Views
Right; I was never a big multiplayer fan anyway, but customized parties were nice Joel - 08/09/2012 08:53:45 PM 1419 Views
Where's the fun in having a customized party and losing all the character interaction, though? Legolas - 09/09/2012 04:03:10 PM 1399 Views
I dislike most of the BG NPCs anyway, so I do not much feel the lack. Joel - 09/09/2012 04:45:12 PM 1504 Views
Re: I dislike most of the BG NPCs anyway, so I do not much feel the lack. Foxhead - 10/09/2012 01:23:44 PM 1345 Views
Agreed. Joel - 11/09/2012 07:01:07 PM 1376 Views
Suggestion since you're not using the NPCs anyway... Legolas - 15/09/2012 11:34:28 PM 1413 Views
That is a good thought; I never played IWD. Joel - 16/09/2012 03:31:01 AM 1306 Views
Where did you think I just got it? Legolas - 16/09/2012 04:39:43 PM 1253 Views
How would I know you just got a game released in the late nineties? Joel - 17/09/2012 06:57:19 PM 1248 Views
Re: How would I know you just got a game released in the late nineties? Fanatic-Templar - 17/09/2012 11:08:09 PM 1425 Views
I still like GURPS' character points best. Joel - 17/09/2012 11:40:12 PM 1297 Views
Heh, I'm not surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 18/09/2012 01:47:55 AM 1291 Views
If you want to avoid hyperspecialization, avoid classes. Joel - 18/09/2012 07:36:43 AM 1510 Views
I've never played GURPS, so I don't know how its system works. Fanatic-Templar - 18/09/2012 03:32:21 PM 1383 Views
I recommend it, but it is a bear to run. Joel - 19/09/2012 03:37:19 AM 1734 Views
Re: I recommend it, but it is a bear to run. Fanatic-Templar - 19/09/2012 08:35:24 AM 1342 Views
It is the difference between "what if...?" and "whatever...." Joel - 19/09/2012 10:58:31 PM 1387 Views
Re: It is the difference between "what if...?" and "whatever...." Fanatic-Templar - 20/09/2012 12:31:10 AM 1308 Views
AD&D cannot avoid one-sided encounters without restricting epic characters to epic encounters. Joel - 24/09/2012 05:53:39 AM 1613 Views
Re: AD&D cannot avoid one-sided encounters without restricting epic characters to epic encounters. Fanatic-Templar - 24/09/2012 07:03:39 AM 1296 Views
Things are a little different if you are the GM, yes. Joel - 24/09/2012 08:33:23 AM 1543 Views
Re: Things are a little different if you are the GM, yes. Fanatic-Templar - 24/09/2012 07:24:51 PM 1426 Views
My point is no one should be at any level. Joel - 25/09/2012 01:23:21 AM 1534 Views
Re: My point is no one should be at any level. Fanatic-Templar - 25/09/2012 03:41:42 AM 1549 Views
I know no more about AD&D 3rd Ed. than I retain from skimming the book a few times in a store. Joel - 25/09/2012 05:16:49 AM 1345 Views
Re: I know no more about AD&D 3rd Ed. than I retain from skimming the book a few times in a store. Fanatic-Templar - 25/09/2012 06:05:39 PM 1462 Views
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I did not realize how awful classes were until liberated from them. Joel - 28/09/2012 12:49:14 AM 1418 Views
Re: Things are a little different if you are the GM, yes. Macharius - 24/09/2012 08:45:05 PM 1276 Views
I thought Yrrth a perfectly fine game world; obviously anything less generic requires some effort. Joel - 25/09/2012 12:14:09 AM 1330 Views
GURPS and TV Tropes are a natural fit, so I will throw in a link to their page on it. Joel - 19/09/2012 03:50:37 AM 1398 Views
I can't speak for IWD I, but II is okay on the story front so far. Legolas - 18/09/2012 06:36:16 PM 1250 Views
Nah, IWD I barely had any story at all. Fanatic-Templar - 18/09/2012 08:16:49 PM 1176 Views
agreed Foxhead - 19/09/2012 09:42:28 AM 1466 Views
I've still only played about 4 hours of BG1 Stephen - 08/09/2012 03:59:49 PM 1350 Views
If you have not yet, you should look into the Weidu mods. Joel - 08/09/2012 06:12:20 PM 1237 Views
But what's the point in playing the game if you don't use the NPCs? Fanatic-Templar - 08/09/2012 06:47:38 PM 1255 Views
agreed the NPCs are half the fun Foxhead - 08/09/2012 07:02:22 PM 1284 Views
Not having a bunch of potentially useful but AI ruined incompetents constantly fumbling. Joel - 08/09/2012 08:55:53 PM 1380 Views
Yeah, but optimising the whole group sounds ridiculously easy. Fanatic-Templar - 09/09/2012 01:03:51 AM 1243 Views
Well, there are always mods for that. Joel - 09/09/2012 01:37:42 AM 1196 Views
For talking to pretty much anyone, really. Fanatic-Templar - 09/09/2012 03:20:29 AM 1300 Views
True. Joel - 09/09/2012 03:46:24 AM 1303 Views
Well, I usually don't have thieves in my party. Fanatic-Templar - 09/09/2012 04:56:21 AM 1250 Views
there wasn't a good enough thief option in bg2/ToB Foxhead - 09/09/2012 09:15:21 AM 1187 Views
I noticed that also; another argument for creating a party via MP even if you move it back to SP. Joel - 09/09/2012 11:45:12 PM 1302 Views
storyline man! Foxhead - 10/09/2012 01:43:51 PM 1260 Views
I make my OWN storyline. Joel - 10/09/2012 06:35:43 PM 1333 Views
Just how many thieves do you even need? Legolas - 10/09/2012 06:22:58 PM 1286 Views
You can get by with half a thief, yeah, but it forces you to forego maxing out some thief abilities. Joel - 10/09/2012 06:47:48 PM 1262 Views
that's why god made potions of master thievery stackable Foxhead - 11/09/2012 09:06:12 AM 1309 Views
There is that, but there are only so many inventory slots. Joel - 11/09/2012 07:00:03 PM 1279 Views
The stealth skills come in very handy though. Joel - 09/09/2012 04:11:40 PM 1279 Views
Any suggested parties for beginners? *NM* Roland00 - 10/09/2012 01:13:38 AM 704 Views
I plan to do custom characters for the other 6 slots Roland00 - 10/09/2012 01:42:41 AM 1237 Views
There are no "other" six slots - there are six slots, period. Legolas - 10/09/2012 06:24:33 PM 1232 Views
well, absolute standard would be: Foxhead - 10/09/2012 01:35:15 PM 1327 Views
My own recommendation would be: Joel - 10/09/2012 07:36:04 PM 1262 Views
I am completely stoked about it. Panorphaeon - 10/09/2012 07:07:09 PM 1325 Views
TotSC made BGI a LOT more fun. Joel - 10/09/2012 07:46:03 PM 1207 Views
all the kits/races/dual wielding etc will be available in bgee Foxhead - 11/09/2012 09:02:35 AM 1231 Views
Ah; nice. Joel - 11/09/2012 06:57:14 PM 1356 Views
i'm not sure they were even state of the art at the time Foxhead - 12/09/2012 09:26:05 AM 1245 Views
Remember, BGI was released only about two years after Doom. Joel - 13/09/2012 12:05:11 AM 1307 Views
If by "two" you mean "five," then yes. DOOM was released in 1993. Ghavrel - 13/09/2012 03:22:58 PM 1274 Views
Ah, 1998. The golden year. Ocarina of Time. Starcraft. Half-Life. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 13/09/2012 04:16:21 PM 719 Views
Can't believe I forgot about HALF-LIFE. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/09/2012 09:06:55 PM 714 Views
That just reminds me of how sad it is that StarCraft died this year . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 13/09/2012 11:55:28 PM 699 Views
Fair enough; I was thinking of Doom in terms of when I started playing it and Doom II (1995.) Joel - 14/09/2012 03:56:50 PM 1377 Views
I don't mind the graphics in it Stephen - 12/09/2012 04:38:47 PM 1305 Views
Good, me neither, but I have heard others criticize them. Joel - 12/09/2012 11:51:16 PM 1199 Views
I used the PS3 web browser as my primary browser for about 3 months Stephen - 13/09/2012 01:13:22 PM 1243 Views
*nods* I suspected as much, but had no first hand experience confirming it. Joel - 14/09/2012 04:03:15 PM 1297 Views
Re: I don't mind the graphics in it Fanatic-Templar - 13/09/2012 01:55:24 AM 1218 Views
I'm going to ask this here rather than start a new topic as its somewhat related. Stephen - 10/09/2012 07:42:32 PM 1264 Views
I remember Wisdom being important beetnemesis - 14/09/2012 04:28:23 AM 1184 Views
And it now has been delayed till Nov *NM* Roland00 - 15/09/2012 03:52:41 AM 696 Views
On another note, shame on all of you for not telling me Jon Irenicus is Ra's Al Ghul Roland00 - 15/09/2012 04:19:21 AM 1291 Views
Among many many others. Joel - 17/09/2012 06:45:33 PM 1260 Views
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