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And I believe I'm in the "that was pretty good" camp. Werthead Send a noteboard - 09/04/2012 01:02:02 AM

Secondly, yes, it's possible to get the Geth and the Quarians to work together, but it's also difficult. There aren't many paths that lead that way, and most players will see the attempt at resolution literally blow itself to pieces. You can just as easily argue that the theme there is that cooperation is unrealistic.

I disagree that 'most' players won't get to see this option. Based on BioWare's stats, it sounds like most players do take a Paragon path through the trilogy and also a completist one (doin missions as they arise and so on). To get the cooperation option you need to have rescued the Quarian admiral and to have a reasonable Paragon score (IIRC, your choice with the geth programmes in ME2 plays a part, but not a critical one).

Yeah, you do have to work at it, and Renegades won't get to see it at all, but the fact that it's a little bit of work to get it done simply points out it's worth it. And I don't think anyone would argue that getting the two races to cooperate (which, among other things, boosts your forces in the final battle) is not the best outcome.

This one is a lot easier to rationalize. Right before you go into the beacon, the radio chatter specifically says that the entire hammer was destroyed, and that no one made it to the beam. Says the team was wiped out to a man. So let's say you're Joker, sitting up there in your fancy ship and you hear that the attack failed, and Shepard is dead. What do you do? Well, you try to rescue whichever friends are left and get outta dodge. It seems totally reasonable to me that Joker and company were fleeing from earth.

Now, there is the thing about Hackett calling Shepard, but that's not a big deal. Either:
1) Joker was already gone
or
2) Hackett was addressing a private channel that joker didn't have access to.

This is okay as far as it goes, except that Hackett and the rest of the combined fleet clearly did not believe the mission was bust even after the failure of the ground assault (Hackett's warships had driven the Reaper forces from the Citadel and were able to secure a perimeter so they could dock the Crucible to it). Joker bailing on the other Earth forces (and Tali bailing on the Quarians, Garrus on the Turians etc) is out of character, even if he did assume Shepard was dead. In addition, it would probably take more time to land the Normandy, round up the other crew and then flee then it did for Shepard to stumble into the beam, have his talk with TIM and open the Citadel arms (and it is possible that communicaton was not possible until the arms opened, either as that was the first sign to the fleet that Shepard was alive or the closure of the arms was blocking transmissions).

The biggest problem is that it is simply not chronologically possible for Normandy to land, pick everyone up, get to the Mass Relay and then get to another system in the few minutes the ending spans.

Take Inception, for example (spoilers for those who haven't watched). The ending to that was very much the same. You don't know if any of it really happened, and no follow-ups were planned. Why hate on Mass Effect so much?

INCEPTION is presented as a weird, dream-like and offbeat movie from the start where the ending is well foreshadowed by earlier events and the premise.

MASS EFFECT, on the other hand, is a pretty standard space opera for 99% of its length and only turns into a vague, mystery-heavy and interpretations-required story in its closing minutes.

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Mass Effect 3 and the Ending From Hell (massive spoilers if you haven't finished the game) Werthead - 18/03/2012 07:13:16 PM 1420 Views

The ending was extremely terrible considering the rest of the game. MightyYT - 18/03/2012 08:27:24 PM 945 Views

It is possible to reconcile the Quarians and Geth. They end up sharing Rannoch. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 24/03/2012 04:25:18 PM 509 Views

Yeah, you need to make a Paragon choice in the final conversation. Werthead - 27/03/2012 02:12:18 PM 992 Views

Rewriting/destroying the Heretics and Tali and Legions loyalty from ME2 also count. *NM* Bergioyn - 01/04/2012 09:10:13 AM 413 Views

Yes. Unfortunately you need those things too. Aemon - 07/04/2012 01:51:11 AM 949 Views

That sucks. Luckily I had my saves saved. *NM* Bergioyn - 07/04/2012 09:48:53 AM 420 Views

Yeah. I mean I could have downloaded a save, but I didn't realize it was that important. Aemon - 07/04/2012 06:09:42 PM 917 Views

Worst ending ever. *NM* Urza - 18/03/2012 09:17:30 PM 413 Views

Well said! Is that true about the original ending though? A Deathwatch Guard - 18/03/2012 09:18:41 PM 1048 Views

I hope indoctrination ia the case and we get dlc. The ending(s) was a serious dissapointment. *NM* Bergioyn - 20/03/2012 04:53:18 PM 461 Views

I thought the ending was good, though I didn't like it. Dannymac - 22/03/2012 04:33:30 PM 925 Views

Yeah. I had an immediate, powerful, and visceral dislike of the ending. lord-of-shadow - 24/03/2012 04:31:33 PM 961 Views

I hated the ending Sidious - 26/03/2012 11:19:35 AM 997 Views

That ending took effort. AliasRY - 26/03/2012 11:48:28 AM 1015 Views

There is some good stuff out there, and brilliant if you are prepared to go old-school. Werthead - 27/03/2012 02:10:20 PM 862 Views

Thanks for recommendations. AliasRY - 30/03/2012 04:46:42 AM 1060 Views

I can't stand Obsidian. MightyYT - 30/03/2012 09:25:27 AM 856 Views

Granted, I had the benefit of playing the game long after release... A Deathwatch Guard - 30/03/2012 09:31:58 AM 801 Views

Yeah, New Vegas has been patched now. Werthead - 31/03/2012 09:52:29 PM 885 Views

I played all of these games on the console... MightyYT - 31/03/2012 11:50:26 PM 850 Views

Yes, because that's how the video game industry works. Dan - 02/04/2012 05:17:33 PM 933 Views

If they'd done that they would have been fired or sued. Werthead - 04/04/2012 12:09:15 AM 844 Views

I think Morrowind and the 2 expansions and Oblivion were the some of the last PC games I played. MightyYT - 04/04/2012 03:29:11 AM 907 Views

Doubling down on your stupidity, I see. Good for you. Dan - 04/04/2012 03:39:02 PM 914 Views

I tend to ignore people like you. MightyYT - 05/04/2012 12:07:12 PM 817 Views

Bethesda break quests all the time. Even BioWare do that. Werthead - 04/04/2012 06:59:18 PM 995 Views

I had a main-quest bug in SKYRIM involving Parthunax and the Blades. Ghavrel - 05/04/2012 10:56:19 AM 769 Views

I was only given 2 options at the end Sir Tybalt - 06/04/2012 11:35:50 PM 1050 Views

Blue is control. *NM* Bergioyn - 07/04/2012 09:36:41 AM 401 Views

Exactly, it was entirely not clear which was which ironclad - 17/06/2012 04:34:31 PM 915 Views

Re: Exactly, it was entirely not clear which was which Bergioyn - 17/06/2012 10:36:57 PM 807 Views

Re: Exactly, it was entirely not clear which was which ironclad - 17/06/2012 10:52:11 PM 841 Views

Re: Exactly, it was entirely not clear which was which Bergioyn - 18/06/2012 09:12:17 AM 862 Views

ME2 ironclad - 18/06/2012 12:39:05 PM 952 Views

Only the face was bugged (it's patched now), everything else is (and was) imported correctly. *NM* Bergioyn - 18/06/2012 08:09:12 PM 382 Views

I can finally read this thread.

And I believe I'm in the "that was pretty good" camp. Aemon - 07/04/2012 04:31:45 AM 881 Views

I take issue with one of your issues

A Deathwatch Guard - 08/04/2012 12:20:00 AM 949 Views

Re: I take issue with one of your issues

Aemon - 09/04/2012 03:19:07 PM 888 Views

Re: I take issue with one of your issues

Sir Tybalt - 10/04/2012 02:56:49 PM 991 Views

Re: I can finally read this thread.

And I believe I'm in the "that was pretty good" camp. Werthead - 09/04/2012 01:02:02 AM 991 Views

Re: I can finally read this thread.

And I believe I'm in the "that was pretty good" camp. Aemon - 09/04/2012 03:08:35 PM 814 Views

It's possible your Rannoch decision was bugged. Ghavrel - 10/04/2012 08:36:08 PM 734 Views

Could be. I'm a little hesitant to go around crying bug, but that's always a possibility. *NM* Aemon - 10/04/2012 09:30:40 PM 418 Views

For my friends, it wasn't an option at first... (spoilers) MightyYT - 20/04/2012 09:53:59 AM 781 Views

I had the same situation with the Geth and Quarians Sir Tybalt - 11/04/2012 10:48:41 PM 849 Views

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<quote id="248982">Secondly, yes, it's possible to get the Geth and the Quarians to work together, but it's also difficult. There aren't many paths that lead that way, and most players will see the attempt at resolution literally blow itself to pieces. You can just as easily argue that the theme there is that cooperation is unrealistic.</quote>

Yeah, you do have to work at it, and Renegades won't get to see it at all, but the fact that it's a little bit of work to get it done simply points out it's worth it. And I don't think anyone would argue that getting the two races to cooperate (which, among other things, boosts your forces in the final battle) is not the best outcome.

<quote>This one is a lot easier to rationalize. Right before you go into the beacon, the radio chatter specifically says that the entire hammer was destroyed, and that no one made it to the beam. Says the team was wiped out to a man. So let's say you're Joker, sitting up there in your fancy ship and you hear that the attack failed, and Shepard is dead. What do you do? Well, you try to rescue whichever friends are left and get outta dodge. It seems totally reasonable to me that Joker and company were fleeing from earth.

Now, there is the thing about Hackett calling Shepard, but that's not a big deal. Either:
1) Joker was already gone
or
2) Hackett was addressing a private channel that joker didn't have access to.</quote>

The biggest problem is that it is simply not chronologically possible for Normandy to land, pick everyone up, get to the Mass Relay and then get to another system in the few minutes the ending spans.

<quote>Take Inception, for example (spoilers for those who haven't watched). The ending to that was very much the same. You don't know if any of it really happened, and no follow-ups were planned. Why hate on Mass Effect so much? </quote>

INCEPTION is presented as a weird, dream-like and offbeat movie from the start where the ending is well foreshadowed by earlier events and the premise.

MASS EFFECT, on the other hand, is a pretty standard space opera for 99% of its length and only turns into a vague, mystery-heavy and interpretations-required story in its closing minutes.
</quote>

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