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Plot doesn't kick in until later on, sadly Jragghen Send a noteboard - 26/09/2009 07:27:55 PM
Because from an intellectual point of view, I should have loved FFXII. I enjoy the idea of a more political, down-to-earth conflict; I like politics and nations in my stories; I enjoy worlds that feel fairly real. I also strongly support any effort to move storytelling in games beyond the status quo. Reading your post down below, I agree 100%.

But in the end, I couldn't finish XII. Just dropped it after a few hours; it was not able to hold my attention. Granted, the reasons for that are tied to gameplay even more than to story and plot, but something about the execution of the characters and plot played a role as well.


And even then, it's obvious that it was three stories (Basch-centric, Ashe-centric, and Balthier-centric) working against one another, at times, while simultaneously being told from the perspective of a person just along for the ride with nothing to add who was made the "main" character for appeal to demographic purposes.

It went through so many changes in its development that it ran headlong into some storytelling difficulties at times, but the actual performance of the translation and the voice actors made it work.

Even for just your little bit of time, try to tell me it wouldn't have been a better game with just this tiny little switch: Vaan and Penelo don't exist. Instead of being killed, Vaan's brother lives, and is the main character. You can go through the same general motions in terms of plot, but the reaction and the inter-character play would have been vastly superior. Instead of Vaan confronting Basch on his brother's behalf, his brother does so directly. Balthier having to be a pirate while confronting a former member of the military would provide better interplay, etc.

As far as the gameplay aspects are concerned, it's a love it or hate it thing. Can't blame you, but I enjoyed the entire system which was MMO-esque. I liked how status effects actually mattered. I liked just running around killing stuff. I liked how enemies didn't just straight-up drop gold. *shrug*
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So being a FF fan and never having played FF 12... - 24/09/2009 10:25:44 PM 920 Views
The story in FF12 leaves much to be desired - 24/09/2009 10:41:28 PM 830 Views
I love FF but I didn't even bother to finish 12 *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:45:55 PM 356 Views
Videogame stories suck the big one, with VERY few exceptions. - 25/09/2009 12:29:39 AM 766 Views
FF7?!?! You're a nutcase! - 25/09/2009 01:50:16 AM 708 Views
It was still good though - 26/09/2009 03:06:12 AM 599 Views
Fair enough. Maybe I'm proving my own point. - 26/09/2009 06:46:26 AM 758 Views
I will have to disagree with this... - 26/09/2009 08:20:46 AM 664 Views
Exactly. When I think story here, I think of the individual stories as well as the whole. - 26/09/2009 07:13:24 PM 779 Views
Still, it's good for a videogame story. - 26/09/2009 07:54:01 PM 698 Views
I agree, with caveat. - 26/09/2009 11:54:25 PM 806 Views
New games do not feature the storytelling prowess of good TV, films, or novels. - 28/09/2009 01:03:46 AM 719 Views
I disagree. Maybe you're playing the wrong games. *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:48 AM 344 Views
What is the videogame equivalent of The Godfather, The Wire, or Great Expectations? *NM* - 01/10/2009 03:31:37 AM 368 Views
Ah, I see. *NM* - 03/10/2009 08:02:28 PM 382 Views
Say what? - 04/10/2009 02:21:01 PM 671 Views
"Ah, I see" means "You haven't answered because there is no satisfactory answer." - 05/10/2009 07:06:03 AM 686 Views
So you expect me to reply within two days when it took you three? - 05/10/2009 10:29:27 PM 617 Views
I've used that escape from a debate I was losing, too. It's a good one - 06/10/2009 09:21:31 PM 738 Views
I... don't think you understand how this works. - 06/10/2009 11:41:12 PM 679 Views
Anything of worth? - 09/10/2009 03:24:42 AM 661 Views
Cymbaline is right. Some games have excellent stories. - 29/09/2009 10:44:16 AM 654 Views
And yet so many people claim to play them for their stories... - 25/09/2009 03:06:44 AM 765 Views
The extras lower peoples' standards, but I DO think it's still the story. - 25/09/2009 04:34:30 AM 661 Views
That's basically what I meant. - 25/09/2009 05:05:19 AM 640 Views
Yeah I understand. - 25/09/2009 05:18:34 AM 721 Views
You are correct. But it sounds like semantics to me, since in practice... - 25/09/2009 06:00:41 AM 676 Views
I suppose it is, at that. - 25/09/2009 01:58:25 PM 718 Views
Well said. - 26/09/2009 06:48:10 AM 680 Views
I enjoyed 12 more than most of those you mentioned... - 25/09/2009 12:55:56 AM 658 Views
I agree. *NM* - 25/09/2009 02:44:08 AM 438 Views
The grid was fine, but didn't scale well. - 25/09/2009 04:35:57 AM 657 Views
I'll agree with this point, but I also agree with most of the thoughts of the GP - 25/09/2009 05:26:18 PM 738 Views
I am glad that at least one person here is with me on this. - 26/09/2009 05:53:42 AM 683 Views
It's interesting.... - 26/09/2009 06:55:18 PM 718 Views
Plot doesn't kick in until later on, sadly - 26/09/2009 07:27:55 PM 670 Views
I partially agree with LoS, and I partially disagree with you. - 27/09/2009 12:07:07 AM 762 Views
Opinion mine: 12 was a great game, and a terrible Final Fantasy. - 25/09/2009 05:03:28 AM 729 Views
I didn't like it and didn't finish *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:34:42 AM 343 Views
i finished it recently and i found it allright - 25/09/2009 11:30:36 AM 885 Views
Final Fantasy XII was the best written FF ever, by far. - 26/09/2009 05:47:27 AM 729 Views
I agree with this. - 26/09/2009 08:22:40 AM 712 Views
LOL... FFXII was the best FFXII ever? - 26/09/2009 03:43:11 PM 682 Views
That was juvenile, TMJ. Also, he said best written FF. *NM* - 26/09/2009 06:58:12 PM 380 Views
Yes, it was funny on a juvenile level. - 26/09/2009 07:11:12 PM 679 Views
Ah, I must have missed the typo. - 26/09/2009 08:32:51 PM 742 Views
So much confusion everywhere! - 26/09/2009 11:48:32 PM 759 Views
Some of us --I'd even say MOST of us-- like that, though. - 26/09/2009 07:20:55 PM 722 Views
Agreed, I want to get into a magical whale's belly and fly through the air ... - 28/09/2009 05:03:14 AM 923 Views

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