That was a Warrior trait, not a human one.
Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 11/01/2012 07:18:09 PM
Ability charts, especially. Humans couldn't reach 19 strength, but they could do increasing fractions? So, a human barbarian with 18 1/2 strength..
Strength was a better ability than the other five, by far. If you played a Warrior (Fighter, Ranger, Paladin) and had 18 strength, you got to roll an additional d100 which were more ranks of Strength you had available. Essentially, instead of getting a score between 3 and 18, if you played a Warrior you could go up to a practical 23 in Strength. Those weren't minor either. The difference between a Priest, Rogue or Wizard's 18 Strength and a Warrior's potential 18/00 Strength is actually greater than the difference between having 18 Strength and having 6 Strength.
Except of course that you need to strike gold on your d100. If you were playing with rules like Baldur's Gate's, which allow you to switch your ability points around, getting an 18 isn't such a big deal, but you still need to roll that 100 on the d100. So your best bet is just to skip the whole thing and go directly to 19 Strength. Play a Half-Orc or other race that gives you a +1 bonus to Strength and you can get all the bonuses of Strength 18/00 and more without depending on luck. Strength 19 is effectively a 24, if this were some other stat.
So at this point, you could have a 19 Strength Half-Orc Warrior at level 1 who can swing a two-handed sword for - nothing else considered - 3d6+7* damage every round. I won't say what a level 1 Priest, Rogue or Wizard can do at level 1, even given a 19 in their specialised ability (or even a theoretical 24).
*[EDIT] Actually, that's "only" 1d10+7 damage. When I checked the tables, I mistakenly assumed the first column was for small characters and the second for medium as in 3rd Edition, but they're actually for Small/Medium and Large, respectively. Not sure why, since none of the core races are large and quite a few are small, but tying in with my overall point, I avoid asking questions of Second Edition and just roll with it. Probably involved a build that abused Enlarge or something.
And THAC0 is... no. I've seen valid complaints against 3e, but BAB seems insanely more intuitive than THAC0, and they do basically the same thing.
They do exactly the same thing. The progression is even the same. THAC0 is just harder to use. As a DM I used to just give my players the monsters' AC during fights because trying to keep it hidden was more trouble than it was worth. In retrospect, that wasn't necessary, but it did facilitate things a lot.
Fun fact, when I first played Baldur's Gate, I noticed that my heavily armoured characters had lower AC than my lightly armoured ones. I figured that had something to do with the iron crisis and unequipped everyone. I went through the Nashkell Mines completely unarmoured on my first run. Kobold Commandoes slaughtered my guys.
One of the most incomprehensibly arbitrary things in 2nd Edition to me were the Saving Throws. Both the categories and the numbers within them. It's just the sort of thing you had to accept and roll with.
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D&D 5th Edition... Hard to believe how many years this has been going.
09/01/2012 10:47:30 PM
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seriously? 4.0 hasn't even been out that long!
10/01/2012 12:28:09 AM
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4th Edition has been a commercial failure. 5th Edition wasn't originally due for several years yet.
10/01/2012 01:37:47 AM
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No, the future of D&D has resided with Pathfinder for a while. *NM*
10/01/2012 05:24:10 PM
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Re: No, the future of D&D has resided with Pathfinder for a while.
10/01/2012 08:09:11 PM
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Re: D&D 5th Edition... Hard to believe how many years this has been going.
10/01/2012 08:23:59 AM
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I found this blog entry enlightening:
10/01/2012 01:41:12 PM
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Dunno about the "Old-School Revival," but Pathfinder is definitely pretty popular
10/01/2012 02:21:37 PM
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Re: Dunno about the "Old-School Revival," but Pathfinder is definitely pretty popular
10/01/2012 04:34:39 PM
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Re: Dunno about the "Old-School Revival," but Pathfinder is definitely pretty popular
11/01/2012 02:56:23 AM
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I can't wait to see the Edition Wars™ flare up again.
10/01/2012 02:55:27 PM
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True story:
10/01/2012 04:39:47 PM
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I felt like that was the whole goal of 4E...and I think that goal was accomplished.
10/01/2012 05:19:14 PM
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I think we'll probably see the pendulum swing back the other way a bit
11/01/2012 03:46:00 PM
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The last time I played an AD&D CRPG, it had THAC0.
10/01/2012 07:47:47 PM
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Baldur's Gate, woo!
11/01/2012 03:49:49 PM
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That was a Warrior trait, not a human one.
11/01/2012 07:18:09 PM
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That sounds insanely unintuitive. *NM*
11/01/2012 07:37:37 PM
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That's 2nd Edition.
11/01/2012 10:59:34 PM
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A fine example of a mechanic that seems lifted whole sale from GURPS 3rd ed.
25/01/2012 05:40:58 PM
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Incidentally, I am currently about halfway through replaying the BG series; great fun.
25/01/2012 06:41:53 PM
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Re: Incidentally, I am currently about halfway through replaying the BG series; great fun.
25/01/2012 07:52:29 PM
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Digging around online just now it looks that may have been a 1st ed. rule.
25/01/2012 08:40:13 PM
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AD&D represent! *throws up half-orc gang signs* *NM*
13/01/2012 01:50:06 AM
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Throwing up a half-eaten rat is not throwing up a gang sign... *NM*
13/01/2012 05:26:47 AM
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What about a half-eaten halfling?
13/01/2012 02:41:06 PM
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Been re-reading The Sleeping Dragon, have you?
25/01/2012 05:29:15 PM
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*hollas*
25/01/2012 05:30:45 PM
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GURPS is still in 4E.
25/01/2012 05:58:34 PM
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Thank God for small blessings; it is almost like those guys do not know HOW to milk a consumer base.
25/01/2012 07:02:44 PM
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They really don't, do they?
25/01/2012 09:12:07 PM
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They focused on rigorous rules that let people run games in the setting of their choice.
26/01/2012 08:59:59 AM
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I love Pathfinder and 4th edition. They're great, for different reasons. I'm excited to see 5th ed. *NM*
11/01/2012 04:58:28 PM
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