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Re: I know, and I said as much. Several times. ranagrande Send a noteboard - 13/09/2010 05:54:12 AM
I know that "good" and "bad" are subjective. They mean different things to different people, and for different reasons. Be that as it may, your reasons. . .aren't great. ;) Here are a couple quotes from your post.

I consider graphics that I can see on my computer to be superior to graphics that I cannot see on my computer.


This is absurd, even as an opinion. You're trying to say that there's no measure of objective quality; whatever you're able to have is "the best." However, it just doesn't work that way. A Ferrari is a technically superior car to a Geo, even if you can't afford the Ferrari.

Therefore, from a TECHNICAL STANDPOINT, WoW has better graphics than Dragon Age: Origins.


No sir, this is not accurate, even if you mock my use of caps. ;) Technical quality is a provable, measurable thing. The Ferrari is capable of greater performance, and is built with superior materials, to a more exacting standard. You can go out and measure these things. You can prove that the Ferrari goes faster than the Geo. You can prove that it's materials stand up to greater stress. In short, that the Ferrari is technically superior.

Of course, you may personally prefer the Geo. You may say, "any car that looks like a Geo is better than any other car, to me." That's fine, and certainly your prerogative. However, such judgments fall squarely in the realm of personal whimsy. They aren't measurable, provable, or applicable to anyone but yourself. Personal preference has nothing to do with technical superiority, and this is as true in the realm of gaming as it is in the automotive world.

The two primary measures of graphical quality (that I'm aware of) are texture detail, and polygon count. World of Warcraft is measurably, provably deficient in these areas compared to modern games. It IS, in fact, technically inferior when judged under any rational criteria.


I also prefer measurable, provable reasoning to subjective opinions or personal preference.

Your car analogy is perfect for this. The Geo is cheaper than the Ferrari. The Geo gets better gas mileage. For most usage by most people, the Geo probably is, in fact, a better car than the Ferrari.

The minimum system requirements are a good measure, but I would use them exactly opposite of the way you do. WoW's graphics win in that category over most modern games because they are able to function with fewer restrictions. They do more with less.

Unlike cars, computer graphics are not standalone entities. They depend on the hardware to run them, and that greatly influences my judgment of them.

Yes, newer graphics are great, but if I can't see them, they are useless to me. If I was using a Tandy 1000, King's Quest would have better graphics than WoW. With the computer I have now, WoW has better graphics than many modern games.
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So...how long before we can play WOW on our phones? - 11/09/2010 06:25:28 AM 885 Views
Given how crappy the graphics are, I'd say it's a data issue. - 11/09/2010 09:19:04 AM 721 Views
WoW graphics don't matter that much.` - 11/09/2010 10:22:23 PM 630 Views
They matter to me. *NM* - 12/09/2010 02:58:50 AM 341 Views
the wow graphics are far from bad - 12/09/2010 06:12:15 AM 611 Views
"Bad" is subjective. By any modern technical standard, however, they are inferior. - 12/09/2010 07:28:34 AM 696 Views
They're definitely antiquated, but from a business sense, doing so makes a ton of sense - 12/09/2010 09:03:36 AM 789 Views
Oh I understand. - 12/09/2010 05:02:26 PM 612 Views
they really aren't bad - 12/09/2010 06:11:48 PM 597 Views
You guys are not actually disagreeing. Aemon realizes this, but I'm not sure LL does - 12/09/2010 06:35:09 PM 661 Views
no, i'm also saying that from a technical standpoint they are not BAD - 12/09/2010 09:24:09 PM 695 Views
Yes, they are. - 12/09/2010 10:04:49 PM 661 Views
Baldur's Gate came out in 1998. You know what that means, right? - 12/09/2010 10:08:49 PM 661 Views
It all depends on what criteria you're using - 13/09/2010 01:56:37 AM 623 Views
I know, and I said as much. Several times. - 13/09/2010 05:17:14 AM 612 Views
Re: I know, and I said as much. Several times. - 13/09/2010 05:54:12 AM 670 Views
That is one of the most tortuous definitions of quality I have seen in my life. - 13/09/2010 06:11:59 AM 667 Views
Re: That is one of the most tortuous definitions of quality I have seen in my life. - 13/09/2010 08:59:33 AM 610 Views
Mass Effect 2 isn't that demanding if you have a desktop - 13/09/2010 02:46:09 PM 630 Views
I could, if I really wanted to - 13/09/2010 09:16:07 PM 763 Views
This is a meaningless conversation. - 13/09/2010 06:30:07 PM 588 Views
Not at all - 13/09/2010 09:25:08 PM 672 Views
below modern standards doesn't mean "bad" - 13/09/2010 04:16:41 AM 614 Views
Pong: great graphics or greatest graphics? - 13/09/2010 05:23:56 AM 670 Views
WoW graphics are bad for todays standards *NM* - 13/09/2010 05:32:32 AM 292 Views
You're a fucking idiot. - 13/09/2010 09:00:28 PM 582 Views
I'm arguing for the fun of it is what I'm arguing about - 13/09/2010 11:17:46 PM 638 Views
Please don't. - 14/09/2010 02:20:33 AM 614 Views
that's fine wish you were a cmb admin *NM* - 14/09/2010 03:35:19 AM 318 Views
Desktop or gtfo. *NM* - 12/09/2010 02:54:36 AM 273 Views
Seconded. *NM* - 13/09/2010 09:00:55 PM 376 Views
Why would I want to? *NM* - 13/09/2010 04:21:19 PM 309 Views
I can see how it would be sort of neat. - 13/09/2010 07:30:40 PM 543 Views
Something like that. - 13/09/2010 08:20:55 PM 698 Views
You can already do auction stuff - 13/09/2010 09:35:04 PM 654 Views
not to long - 27/09/2010 07:17:21 AM 780 Views

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