To the extent the framers intended an elitist legislature, they erred, IMHO.
Joel Send a noteboard - 29/03/2010 01:43:34 PM
It also would probably make people less prone to ignoring state elections.
That's how senators USED to be elected. Unfortunately, we ignored the advice of the founders and now we're in this perpetual campaign mess of a government.
Reid's in a tough spot because his six years are up, but for a supermajority of Senators they don't have to sweat until Obama does. The problem isn't direct elections, it is, IMHO, that the far greater number of House members combined with two year terms that DO force constant campaigns makes it difficult to accomplish anything there. As I said repeatedly on wotmania, what I'd like is a Constitutional Amendment (which is what it would take, and why it will never happen) that would make the far more powerful Senators accountable to the public every two years and the far more numerous (and thus less potent) House members only have to run every six. It might not elevate the level of House proceedings to that of the Senate, but it would help to both give House members a chance to do their jobs and make the far more powerful Senators more accountable. It's VERY hard to unseat an incumbent Senator, and you have to wait six years for the chance; given the far greater power of a Senator that doesn't seem wise to me.
Senators DO admit that it's constant campaigning for most of them (with the exception of those few who've held a seat for decades, like the late Ted Kennedy). The whole principle of a bicameral legislature was that one represented the masses the other represented the...for lack of a better expression, intellectual elite. The House is constantly campaigning, not looking out for the good of the country in all cases (but still representing the voice of the people). The Senate (used to) represent those whose aims did not depend as much on a vote or pleasing the masses who usually aren't the most educated or knowledgeable on the subject. Since a bill has to pass both legislatures, the interests of the nation and its people should both get proper attention.
Nowadays, Senators don't have that luxury. It's a sad state Congress is in. If you wanna blame nothing getting done on something, blame it on partisanship, which is hurting this nation greatly. If it were up to me, there would be no political parties.
I've never heard a Senator admit to constant campaigning, but I haven't heard everything you have; regardless, anyone serving a six year term and making that claim is indulging in rhetoric. Senators have a broader and larger constituency (usually; obviously that doesn't apply in places like WY) that tends to require they pay their political dues before a successful run. It's not uncommon for a wealthy private citizen to get incensed over a single issue, make a few speeches and end up in the House, but that's much less common in the Senate. The nature of their constituency makes them a little more deliberate, a little more measured, and that's usually reflected in their debates. It's less so than it used to be because those and the additional qualities the framers endowed the Senate with motivated them to make the Senate the primary executive oversight, and that has resulted in a higher level of scrutiny that encourages extremism as partisanship grows.
But having state legislatures select Senators is in the same vein as restricting the franchise to free male property owners over 21, IMHO. Though, having said that, I do support 21 being the universal age of consent, be it for booze or ballots. We need a cutoff that's necessarily arbitrary, but I think it should be uniform, and the higher we set it the less people will be legally engaged in practices for which they lack the maturity. Twenty-one is high enough to be beneficial but low enough to be fair, again, IMHO.
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Obamacare: Explained?
22/03/2010 07:21:44 PM
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Someone had a good link earlier...
22/03/2010 07:32:36 PM
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Thanks
23/03/2010 03:48:04 AM
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They don't, or at least not in this bill. That'll have to be a new bill.
23/03/2010 09:22:19 AM
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What the bill does, and when each part gets implemented
22/03/2010 07:42:26 PM
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This is wonderful thank you. I've already picked my favorite.
22/03/2010 07:47:59 PM
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Fear, uncertainty, and doubt
22/03/2010 07:52:29 PM
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this is why I believe in dictatorships
22/03/2010 08:05:14 PM
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It's all populism, really
23/03/2010 03:51:31 AM
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OOoo I like that idea.
23/03/2010 04:20:48 AM
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Re: OOoo I like that idea.
23/03/2010 03:01:08 PM
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Senators don't constantly campaign though.
23/03/2010 04:20:51 PM
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I don't think that's the point though...
23/03/2010 09:35:29 PM
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To the extent the framers intended an elitist legislature, they erred, IMHO.
29/03/2010 01:43:34 PM
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At one point some of the concerns were valid.
23/03/2010 06:03:29 AM
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Re: At one point some of the concerns were valid.
23/03/2010 03:05:58 PM
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We can't pay for the subsidies; even after the tax hike they increase debt in the short term.
23/03/2010 04:12:14 PM
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Re: We can't pay for the subsidies; even after the tax hike they increase debt in the short term.
23/03/2010 09:40:53 PM
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Can't find that link in this thread, but the CBO seems to agree with you, not me.
23/03/2010 11:47:29 PM
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I don't agree
24/03/2010 08:52:12 PM
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"Free market" is a VERY big phrase.
25/03/2010 07:32:06 AM
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Re: This is wonderful thank you. I've already picked my favorite.
22/03/2010 08:04:50 PM
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Re: This is wonderful thank you. I've already picked my favorite.
22/03/2010 08:07:39 PM
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Re: This is wonderful thank you. I've already picked my favorite.
22/03/2010 08:28:10 PM
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The $900 billion is essentially just government subsidies: Healthcare's gotten THAT expensive.
23/03/2010 06:23:01 AM
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you make it sound like this is the end-all bill.
23/03/2010 12:01:20 PM
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I doubt we'll see another bill after the reconciliation bill.
23/03/2010 02:05:59 PM
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no, the "now or doomed" mindset is not why I'm willing to wait
23/03/2010 03:23:21 PM
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Well, if you really are waiting for them to fix it later you'll wait a long time.
23/03/2010 04:33:25 PM
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It's quite simple.
23/03/2010 04:23:45 PM
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And what does government-run health care have to do with this bill?
23/03/2010 04:25:28 PM
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