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Re: I chose to read about it first at the NYT, then the WSJ, then the Economist. callandor1000 Send a noteboard - 22/03/2010 02:01:07 PM
I won't take the debate (I simply don't have the time), but I will say this makes me happy for you. America is actually moving in the direction of what I (in my warped, Scandinavian brain, obviously) think of as a civilised country. I did not think that would ever happen.


Is there a good, semi-reliable (or more reliable than semi) place I can go and read about this bill? I don't want garbage. I don't want to hear opinions about it. I just want to know what it says so that I can make my own opinions. The only thing I've found kind of like that stumps me as to why people would be upset over the bill. So obviously I need something else. I don't want something that trashes it. I'm just afraid what I was reading left out language or something like that that will impact what will happen.


I think I like the WSJ the best.

Here is the NYT

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/health/policy/22health.html?hp

Here is the WSJ

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703775504575135440191025592.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories

Here is the Economist. It gives the best, now what - specifically referring to the Democrats tactic to call the changes "budget reconciliation" and thus needing only 50 votes in the Senate.

http://www.economist.com/world/united-states/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15758185&source=features_box_main



Thanks. I like these articles and they match with what I read and was unsure of. I'm stumped as to how this is wrong. I did dislike one line in the NYT article (not as in I dislike using them but I dislike what is happening).

"Indeed, Senate Republicans were quickly faced with a need to recalibrate their message from one aimed at stopping the legislation to one focused on winning back a sufficient number of seats in Congress to repeal it."

I mean... if politicians were serious about their jobs shouldn't this read more like "Indeed, Senate Republicans were quickly faced with a need to find ways to improve the bill and make it more friendly and adequate to the people they represent". I mean, everything I have read seems to show that its very unlikely for this to be stopped now. So why would you throw all your effort into a losing cause instead of trying to... gosh... work with what has happened? I'm not saying this is simply the Republicans doing, I know if the tables were reversed the Democrats would do the same thing. But really...


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No posts on the bill passing? Camilla - 22/03/2010 08:22:27 AM 1264 Views
Meh Brian - 22/03/2010 09:07:27 AM 591 Views
Re: Meh lyringlas - 22/03/2010 01:53:43 PM 551 Views
I know what you mean. I love hearing that the "majority" are against this. The Shrike - 22/03/2010 01:57:15 PM 703 Views
surveys are crap anyways. LadyLorraine - 22/03/2010 01:59:39 PM 525 Views
That's ignorance speaking. The Shrike - 22/03/2010 02:02:46 PM 563 Views
well yah. Sorry, I wasn't meaning to say surveys as a whole are nonsense LadyLorraine - 22/03/2010 02:09:42 PM 497 Views
Some are a plurality, some are a majority.... Brian - 22/03/2010 04:01:56 PM 614 Views
But most of them with a high/low don't go into enough detail Jragghen - 22/03/2010 09:24:29 PM 648 Views
A question? Roland00 - 23/03/2010 01:11:07 AM 564 Views
I accept that there are situations where leaders must go against popular opinion Brian - 23/03/2010 02:53:00 AM 616 Views
on the other hand *edited stupid spelling error* LadyLorraine - 23/03/2010 03:09:47 AM 735 Views
On a certain level I do agree with you Brian - 23/03/2010 05:14:24 AM 524 Views
I was thinking about this after posting LadyLorraine - 23/03/2010 12:12:17 PM 535 Views
Ahahahahahahahaha Sareitha Sedai - 23/03/2010 12:57:17 PM 679 Views
why? *NM* LadyLorraine - 23/03/2010 03:37:00 PM 278 Views
Because "populous" is not a noun in English. *NM* Legolas - 23/03/2010 03:42:16 PM 278 Views
This. Sareitha Sedai - 23/03/2010 03:46:25 PM 587 Views
damn you phonetics. LadyLorraine - 23/03/2010 03:50:33 PM 842 Views
As Emo Philips would say Sareitha Sedai - 23/03/2010 04:32:52 PM 620 Views
I always laugh when I see someone say people are "retarted" *NM* Brian - 23/03/2010 03:51:46 PM 357 Views
"Get a life, morans!" *NM* ironclad - 23/03/2010 03:55:27 PM 280 Views
I think this is one of them snoopcester - 23/03/2010 12:49:35 PM 995 Views
It's not as simple as "doing what the majority opposes is bad government. " Joel - 23/03/2010 06:42:04 AM 625 Views
A step in the wrong direction. AgentOrange - 22/03/2010 10:38:31 AM 695 Views
didn't realize it had LadyLorraine - 22/03/2010 11:49:36 AM 547 Views
I am happy for it Roland00 - 22/03/2010 11:55:10 AM 544 Views
The Bill passed? Dannymac - 22/03/2010 12:27:36 PM 657 Views
I think with the saturation coverage it has been getting people are just worn out *NM* random thoughts - 22/03/2010 01:27:59 PM 301 Views
hollah that. *NM* LadyLorraine - 22/03/2010 01:58:47 PM 244 Views
Yes. nossy - 22/03/2010 02:38:03 PM 556 Views
Re: No posts on the bill passing? callandor1000 - 22/03/2010 01:39:14 PM 573 Views
I chose to read about it first at the NYT, then the WSJ, then the Economist. The Shrike - 22/03/2010 01:43:07 PM 745 Views
Re: I chose to read about it first at the NYT, then the WSJ, then the Economist. callandor1000 - 22/03/2010 02:01:07 PM 559 Views
I liked former Republican Senate majority leader Bill Frist's comments. Legolas - 22/03/2010 02:06:41 PM 565 Views
Re: I liked former Republican Senate majority leader Bill Frist's comments. callandor1000 - 22/03/2010 02:12:16 PM 623 Views
The Bill won't get repealed. Whatever happens in November. Libby - 23/03/2010 12:17:21 AM 556 Views
There are 18 incumbent Dem Senate seats; 41+18<67. Joel - 29/03/2010 11:15:29 AM 555 Views
I am worried. The official reports show that it will actually erase some debt. But . . . The Shrike - 22/03/2010 01:39:26 PM 675 Views
I think reform had to start now. Inigo Montoya - 22/03/2010 02:27:11 PM 735 Views
That's a good column. Legolas - 22/03/2010 02:44:56 PM 642 Views
Yea, he's going to be adding to it all day, trying to explain the various facets of the bill. Inigo Montoya - 22/03/2010 03:05:03 PM 670 Views
I think the problem highlight what I don't like about this bill random thoughts - 22/03/2010 03:20:54 PM 567 Views
Re: I think the problem highlight what I don't like about this bill callandor1000 - 22/03/2010 03:33:31 PM 535 Views
Let's be realistic here at least.... Brian - 22/03/2010 04:16:23 PM 557 Views
You must have an interesting definition of "most" Floffe - 22/03/2010 05:43:38 PM 553 Views
My definition of most is obviously quite defective. Brian - 22/03/2010 08:05:22 PM 576 Views
As long as you define "most" as "some time" you're just fine with it as it stands *NM* Floffe - 22/03/2010 08:15:03 PM 276 Views
I'd say "most" people would agree with my definition of "most" in my original post.... Brian - 23/03/2010 05:16:59 AM 644 Views
I hope your house is built on fimrer foundations then your reasoning random thoughts - 22/03/2010 04:25:49 PM 555 Views
I'm not worried, there are lots of ways to pay for the bill. BlackAdder - 22/03/2010 05:36:39 PM 479 Views
You should worry about cost control (AKA the only real reason for healthcare reform to begin. ) Joel - 23/03/2010 07:02:24 AM 656 Views
bingo damookster - 24/03/2010 03:45:48 AM 688 Views
Next question: WTF do we do about it? Joel - 24/03/2010 04:00:39 AM 561 Views
sadly probably not a damned thing... damookster - 24/03/2010 04:20:45 AM 545 Views
I worry the day is coming when the Bastille is stormed. Joel - 29/03/2010 11:06:31 AM 635 Views
It is a good start snoopcester - 22/03/2010 03:01:08 PM 523 Views
Re: It is a good start Ryan - 22/03/2010 04:13:28 PM 538 Views
Heh Brian - 22/03/2010 04:21:22 PM 584 Views
Re: Heh nossy - 22/03/2010 04:32:30 PM 542 Views
Re: Heh Macharius - 22/03/2010 08:25:05 PM 605 Views
Sorry, I was out seizing the means of production. *NM* Jragghen - 22/03/2010 07:43:19 PM 245 Views
You should delve the debate before getting excited. Joel - 23/03/2010 07:22:36 AM 632 Views
I really like what GRR Martin wrote in his blog. ironclad - 23/03/2010 09:55:11 AM 661 Views
I agree with him LadyLorraine - 23/03/2010 12:14:47 PM 571 Views
I would say it is rather weak point random thoughts - 23/03/2010 01:12:43 PM 547 Views
Erm... ironclad - 23/03/2010 01:39:58 PM 644 Views
You realize that most countries with socialized healthcare have private healthcare, too. Joel - 24/03/2010 04:16:28 AM 695 Views
I am pleasantly surprised Camilla - 23/03/2010 04:14:52 PM 488 Views
Exceptions? Larry - 24/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 501 Views
I haven't been following it too closely FredWeasley - 23/03/2010 02:10:39 PM 684 Views
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