Before a congressional committee Holder was asked about how he felt we should deal with bin Laden if he was captured, with the obvious parallel to current prisoners and trials, he gave this reply:
Personally I view this as a total cop out, since it doesn't answer the question, nor do I view it as a hypothetical. If we get bin Laden it's going to probably be when some SF force descends on his hideout from the thin blue sky. Even those willing to die or kill themselves for the cause don't tend to keep a cyanide pill around and it's fairly absurd to take as a given that during a sudden surprise assault he'll blow his brains out or one of his loyal followers will decide to shoot at him instead of the people attacking. Most people who don't want to be taken alive but who the authorities want to take alive tend to be captured alive and your average SF trooper is a good enough shot to be able to not kill him, especially since thanks in no small part to bin Laden our combat medics have become amazingly talented at treating gunshot wounds. He knows that, or should know that, so I have to view that as a deliberately evasive response. Combined with some of his other actions, it only adds to my view of him as sub-par for the vital job of AG. The Attorney General of the US should not be ducking legal questions, especially by using such a thin cover. From either an ethical or legal base there is no reason to treat bin Laden as different from any other foreign terrorist, except as more important and dangerous, so if Holder can't answer this for bin Laden, he obviously doesn't have a decent answer for any of the others. The head of the Department of Justice shouldn't sliding away from answering legal questions on grounds of the answer being politically volatile. And if he does, IMHO, his probably not fit for the job.
Attorney General Eric Holder told a congressional panel Tuesday that the question of reading Osama bin Laden his Miranda rights is absurd – because he won’t be brought in alive.
“Let’s deal with reality,” Holder said. “You’re talking about a hypothetical that will never occur. We will be reading Miranda rights to the corpse of Osama bin Laden. He will never appear in an American courtroom. That’s the reality….He will be killed by us or he will be killed by his own people, so he’s not captured by us. We know that.”
“Let’s deal with reality,” Holder said. “You’re talking about a hypothetical that will never occur. We will be reading Miranda rights to the corpse of Osama bin Laden. He will never appear in an American courtroom. That’s the reality….He will be killed by us or he will be killed by his own people, so he’s not captured by us. We know that.”
Personally I view this as a total cop out, since it doesn't answer the question, nor do I view it as a hypothetical. If we get bin Laden it's going to probably be when some SF force descends on his hideout from the thin blue sky. Even those willing to die or kill themselves for the cause don't tend to keep a cyanide pill around and it's fairly absurd to take as a given that during a sudden surprise assault he'll blow his brains out or one of his loyal followers will decide to shoot at him instead of the people attacking. Most people who don't want to be taken alive but who the authorities want to take alive tend to be captured alive and your average SF trooper is a good enough shot to be able to not kill him, especially since thanks in no small part to bin Laden our combat medics have become amazingly talented at treating gunshot wounds. He knows that, or should know that, so I have to view that as a deliberately evasive response. Combined with some of his other actions, it only adds to my view of him as sub-par for the vital job of AG. The Attorney General of the US should not be ducking legal questions, especially by using such a thin cover. From either an ethical or legal base there is no reason to treat bin Laden as different from any other foreign terrorist, except as more important and dangerous, so if Holder can't answer this for bin Laden, he obviously doesn't have a decent answer for any of the others. The head of the Department of Justice shouldn't sliding away from answering legal questions on grounds of the answer being politically volatile. And if he does, IMHO, his probably not fit for the job.
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AG Eric Holder evades questioning
17/03/2010 05:34:40 PM
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Why should he be read miranda rights?
17/03/2010 05:50:29 PM
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Why should location matter when dealing with a borderless threat like al-Qaeda? *NM*
17/03/2010 10:20:08 PM
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You'd rather he walk free on a technicality?
17/03/2010 11:28:30 PM
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18/03/2010 07:14:56 AM
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Last I checked, al-Qaeda isn't a party to the Geneva Convention.
18/03/2010 09:16:15 AM
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That only means they are not entitled to its protections - in other words, they are fair game.
19/03/2010 10:25:50 PM
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Well, I guess it depends whether you want to try him, doesn't it?
19/03/2010 11:34:34 PM
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*shrugs*
17/03/2010 11:10:47 PM
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That doesn't seem very logical
18/03/2010 12:03:21 AM
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That is honest and it wouldn't be "dumb" (I assume you actually mean stupid, rather than mute)
18/03/2010 12:19:58 AM
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It is very possible
18/03/2010 02:12:21 AM
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Re: It is very possible
18/03/2010 02:31:59 AM
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You do remember "I do not recall" Gonzalez right? *NM*
18/03/2010 02:38:48 AM
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Actually not really, I was out of the country for almost his entire tenure
18/03/2010 02:41:13 AM
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Pretty much there was some political firings of Us Attorneys
18/03/2010 02:56:01 AM
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I remember a little of that
18/03/2010 03:16:27 AM
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Gonzales flat out lied to congress
18/03/2010 03:29:14 AM
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Seems he could answer the question without evasion or producing a soundbite
18/03/2010 04:12:04 AM
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I don't think I agree with that.
18/03/2010 02:04:48 PM
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Fair enough
18/03/2010 02:40:42 PM
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You guys are forgetting the intel aspect.
18/03/2010 09:40:53 PM
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do we know how much he actually knows?
18/03/2010 09:49:50 PM
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Kinda hard to find out if he knows anything if he's dead *NM*
18/03/2010 09:56:18 PM
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that was totally not my question
19/03/2010 12:10:06 AM
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Most people include congressmen/women don't understand Miranda rights,most people don't know the Law
18/03/2010 02:08:10 AM
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I can understand why he'd want to evade answering.
18/03/2010 03:23:04 AM
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I can understand why statesman would want to avoid painting himself into a corner.
29/03/2010 02:26:34 PM
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