So in other words you were at wotmania far longer than I.
I'm not sure reading the theory post qualifies as longer, I didn't even know there were any boards or forums at the time, didn't even know about the CMB till I'd been posting on the WoT area for quite some time, just kept stumbling on it occasionally and thought there we trolls writing about non-WoT stuff in violation of the board rules, I think I even ranted at someone for 'bringing politics into a site devoted to a fans of a fantasy series'

I'm sorry you missed the CMB when it was still an awesome place. For all that CERTAIN PEOPLE think I get all my news from DailyKos (I think I've been there MAYBE a half dozen times in as many years) my main news outlet used to be the wotmania CMB,
Meh, RT seems to think all liberals hang out at DailyKos and confuses comments with articles. I pretty much live and breath news myself, I always have an audiobook or radio on NPR or conservative talk pretty much all day long, unless I have company, on the phone, or am watching TV (also usually news), I just like having background noise, talking not music, even to sleep to. I like repetition too, hearing the same audiobook over again or different pundits reciting the same garbage works well. Even with that I still check google news aggregate constantly and get emailed news from a bunch of different places.
because I knew that ANY news story would show up there hours, sometimes days, before it appeared anywhere else, and the breadth, depth and civility of discussion would outstrip all or most other sources. I'm actually at something of a loss these days, because there are few other places I know to get timely news accounts that don't favor one perspective over others, when they don't just gloss over the issue in a blurb.
Well, I can't say I know any places that don't flavor, I actually like the flavoring, I like the familiarity of style. HotAir is pretty good if you're trying to get a right-slant, the two primary contributers tend to favor my own sort of highly-partisan but minus the BS and situational ethics approach, ditto Krauthammer or George Will. Radio wise, Jerry Doyle is nice, he's an independent conservative and I enjoy him from his Babylon 5 days, Dennis Miller is great if you want a humorous and intellectual summation from the socially-liberal-right minus the insults and barbs, and NRO and WSJ while obviously slanted tend to be lower on the rhetoric. Left-wise? Salon used to be okay, can't say I ever really got to know most of the authors by name and it went a bit down hill during the blind devotion phase, now that that's mostly over it will probably improve. Outside of politics news is fairly unslanted and you tend to get more or less the same accounts from HuffPo and NRO. Science wise, I don't like the New Scientist, they high on sensationalism and low on accuracy, sort of like SciAm but minus the fact checking. Really PopSci and Sciam are best there. General news, CNN or Fox are best, site wise. But really google news aggregate does a pretty good job, and you can tailor it to filter in news on certain subjects like local or astronomy and get rid of sports or entertainment, in accordance with one's general preference.
Agreed, but it's common. So are wounded feelings to no purpose. Correlation isn't necessarily causation, but doesn't preclude it either.
Oh yes, and screaming and insults. The total lack of any expectation of people to cite facts. Partially that's formatting I suppose, until the site supports linking so that you can just imbed them mid comment it's tends to break the flavor of whatever you're writing. The vicitm thing drives me nuts too. I keep wanting to shake Aisha every time he posts something and DS get's on her case and people rag on him "You're just as bad as he is, you're just nice when you're not discussing you're pet issues". And it's hardly just her, at least with Shrike and Canolli there's no attempt at courtesy, somehow they don't bug me. But most of them are pretty good, I've found the ones on the RPG board tend to be more courteous when posting to the CMB, just the setup of our games frowns on being out right rude to others and it seems to carry over to this side too. Anonymity is the double-edged sword of the net. Fear of reprisal is a crappy basis for courtesy but God knows it keeps those who don't value it it others and strive for it themselves in line.
That's pretty much it; I don't support flag burning, but I DO support the RIGHT to burn flags. Popular speech doesn't require protection. I'd like to class it as minor abuse, but we went from "I have a right to search your car without cause" to "I'm testing what's obviously a cigarette butt because you asserted your own rights" to "why are you shaking?" (I still honestly don't know unless it was the wind and me being in shorts, but if he'd made one more mistake I'd have gone to jail, rightly or not. )
Flag burning is a weird case for me, I'm against a ban of course, but I do believe that in theory there can be just laws to prevent such things. I can't think of any practical case where this would be necessary, I don't like the flag being burned, and scorn keeps most from doing it, ban it, and they'll burn it in droves for that reason. Never pass laws if you don't have to that actually encourage the crime.
However, it makes for an nice mental exercise, I always like out of the box solutions to stalemates. If one wishes to punish flag burners, one need only ask the manufacturers of flags to say, lease not sell, 100 year leases with free proper disposal at request, with a hundred dollar fee or something for 'willful destruction', which they could effectively selectively enforce. "Well, we assume it was a legit accident or wear and tear normally but we've got this video of you torching it". I tend to prefer solutions like that over laws. Ideally though, you just make sure people doing it are viewed as petty and immature, not rebels or protesters. This is good too, means to be taken seriously people have to put on the suit and tie and discuss civilly, keeps the angry fringe in check and the youth vote from blindly jamming up behind one doctrine because it's the new cool fad.
Thanks; I like to think so at least.
Credit where credit is due.
Unfortunately it's often more who you know than even what you do.
Yes, I suppose it is.
I could deal with that, though I'm inclined to disqualify firearms as backups. Hard for me to say either way though; if you see someone's packing you already know he has lethal force at ready command, so how MUCH is less of an issue.
Admittedly a backup firearm tending to be a holdout, basically only accurate if you're having a shoot-out in a crowded elevator, isn't exactly an ideal weapon but I couldn't see why having a second gun would be any different form having a knife. Frankly, the nice thing about guns is that they are LOUD, it's hard to use one without advertising it, even a 'silenced' weapon is pretty loud, and I think one could easily pass a law banning concealed silenced firearms without raising much hue and cry.
That does make more sense, though it still boils down to regulating possession, just not to the point of an outright ban (and I'm well aware of why the Second Amendment exists, what the armies at Lexington and Concord were doing when the revolution started, and why they were driven to that point. ) Regulation rather than prohibition is appealing on many levels.
It usually is to me, it prevents most of the 'principled protest' stuff like the invariable wave of flag burning we'd have if we banned that. It always comes down to not giving people extra reason to have something. Whenever possible shame and conformity and/or inconvenience are preferable to law, people obey better that way. It's like drugs, there's no need to ban them or legalize them then tax them till they can't be used, the market will do it. "Only GM randomly screens it's employees monthly to ensure your vehicle is total safe" Cut to soccer mom driving kids "Making sure every part of every vehicle we produce is of top quality" cut to sober and hard working factory working carefully scrutinizing precision pieces "Here at GM we believe in safety, for our workers, and for those you most care about" Show kid getting out of car with dog "That's the GM guarantee"... within weeks or months even fast food joints would be screening workers to 'ensure you're food is safe'. No fuss, no muss, cheap and reliable drug testing kits become a gold mine for investment.
TX does at least have open primaries, but at the core I think people should be able to vote in all primaries for the same reason I'm offended by comments on "Real America. " If any party seeks to represent the nation, or claims to, then the whole nation should have a say in its leadership, and we'd probably have less extremist nominees were that the case. The spectacle that, IMHO, doomed McCain by forcing him to shed his moderate image to win a primary with the base then try to shed a RIGHT WING image to win the general election is one very familiar to Democrats. For decades national candidates couldn't get nominated without appeals to most far left elements of the base, which then came back to haunt them during the general campaign. Letting everyone vote in every primary would go along way toward ending the factionalism Washington rightly rejected as harmful to the nation.
Well, I really wish we had less centrists in government, oh, I don't mean I want thing's radicalized but I would like to see more Ron Pauls, Kucinches, and maybe even Traficants in congress. I've long felt that a percentage of reps should be voted on federally, vote for X party and they get so many seats in accordance, say a hundred seats in the house (we definitely don't need a third body), most would be rep or dem initially but then you'd start seeing growth of smaller parties, guaranteed. Out of hundred seats, you'd get a couple libertarians, a communist, maybe even a Neo-Nazi. It would have power because as is our body is regional, not ideological, and that by it's nature encourages centrism because ideology is fairly evenly distributed geographically, there are dems in texas and GOP in massachusetts, and most places are a pretty even match up. We want that centrist tendency, but it squashes third parties and it causes everyone to be middle of the road come the general election.
It was more the double standard than anything; I've been to Georgetown many times, and since I'm pretty sure their cops almost shot me for having car trouble one night, I'm equally sure they wouldn't have driven me home if they'd caught me drunk in public and urinating by the roadside (let alone do so twice. ) It's hardly surprising to me that Jimmy Fennell was welcome there after he left Giddings and his murdered ex behind him. But the main point is I don't think preferring Edwards to Obama in '08 (little did I know... ) makes my preference for McCain or Huckabee over Romney any less valid. Or vice versa. I think the voters should be able to pick all the candidates for an office rather than just one since they're subject to the eventual winner regardless of primary in which they choose to vote.
Well, that's why a lot of places do an election and a runoff, kills the need for party primaries. If we did that here, then your argument is moot, but we don't so it makes sense while at the same time I still can't say I approve.
Healthcare needs to be split into separate bills, but tort reform needs to be included because that's how massive bills enact things that can't stand on their own merit?
Surely if we can justify tort reform as part of one massive healthcare bill, we can justify HEALTHCARES inclusion on the same basis. Personally, I'm a little sick of the political calculus in which BOTH sides are evaluating healthcare legislation solely in terms of how it will impact the midterms. LBJ took his lumps on Medicare and the Civil Rights Act despite having to run a re-election campaign along the way, because they were the right thing to do. But Obama is no LBJ or FDR, as becomes more apparent daily.

No, that he isn't. My guess though is he'll be the guy for the next 7 years though, I'm hoping with a more split or GOP controlled congress, Clinton did most of his best work with a GOP congress, LBJ and Reagan both did better that way. NO party should ever be in a position to pass things without a single vote from the other side, it's not good.
The GOP is attempting to reframe a healthcare debate that goes back to the mid-forties as a tax debate, a tort reform debate, an entitlement debate, a socialism debate, ANYTHING but a healthcare debate. Hardly surprising; it's worked so well in the past. But if they want to address torts (which cover a great deal more than healthcare) they should address them as such, and that's really not what anything like a majority voted for in '08. The idea that medical torts are the primary driver in healthcare costs is specious and ignores the fact malpractice insurance rates need to be examined just as badly as healthcare insurance rates do.
Weird thing I never got was why Obama didn't stick to his guns on single-payer, he could have had it if he just said 'it makes sense, it makes so much sense we should do schools the same way', because the GOP wants that for education, and would have at least warmed enough to discuss it, then you have 'education and healthcare, both pretty important, why is one better as single payer than the other?' He'd have had defections from the GOP if he'd promised vouchers to include private schools, preferably in the same bill, and the split-the-bill-into-segments argument would have been damaged.
Ah well, I really have no idea who the f actually advises Reid, Pelosi, or Obama these days, I think maybe we snuck in a few conservative amongst their aides.

Well, I can't cite a study, but I do recall a PBS program (Frontline, I think) a few years ago about a syphilis epidemic the HS kids of a Bible Belt town. SOMEONE wasn't getting all the facts there, and the faculty as well as the parents were shocked to their core when they learned the extent of what had happened. Such is the price of burying ones head in the sand.
A good example, but not really data. I think I may have seen the program at some point too.
I can't speak to chat except at the end, when it was home to the most lethal examples of what killed wotmania (somehow, in the midst of that the Love of my life wandered in and the rest is history. )
Glad to hear that, I only did chat a few times right near the end.
I don't mind regulating protests up to a point, but not to the point of forcing protests of a Texas policy to take place in Oklahoma. Violent protesters need to be removed, but that doesn't mean you should shut down the protests (particularly given the documented history of FBI agents provocateur with the GOAL of turning peaceful protests violent to justify arresting protesters. )
Yes, obviously one can't go around saying 'This country is protest dry, the only designated place to hold rallies is at...'
My best recollection is that marijuana has been found to show a causative link in a small segment of the population predisposed to schizophrenia; the real danger is there's no way to know whether you're part of that group until after the fact. I think the libertarian take would be similar to that on nicotine and other issues: Let whoever wants to do it, and if they get sick it's their problem.
Kind of a double-whammy, that's what I meant

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Palin reads Cheat Notes.
08/02/2010 12:43:02 AM
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Is it really worse than reading answers on a teleprompter? sorry, I see no big deal here. *NM*
08/02/2010 01:02:49 AM
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yes yes it is. a teleprompter is subtle
08/02/2010 01:22:17 AM
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a teleprompter is not subtle
08/02/2010 02:25:46 PM
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staring openly and blatantly at your hand is? *NM*
08/02/2010 03:09:25 PM
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I think if anyone else had done the dame thing we wouldn't even had heard about
08/02/2010 06:13:44 PM
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Yes for what the notes were
08/02/2010 12:44:35 PM
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he is calling her content free while attacking her in such a content free manner?
08/02/2010 02:50:04 PM
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It's good the media still hounds her. I don't want her to be a candidate. *NM*
08/02/2010 01:20:21 AM
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This only obscures the rational reasons for duly decrying her political popularity. Moooooooo. *NM*
08/02/2010 03:19:45 AM
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I disagree, I think it underscores it.
08/02/2010 03:39:57 AM
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Or they might believe that a far left liberal
08/02/2010 04:16:51 AM
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Calling someone who needs a cheat sheet for their talking points stupid isn't an ad hominem, IMHO.
08/02/2010 12:13:36 PM
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soory but your wrong, again
08/02/2010 02:23:31 PM
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You shouldn't need reminders of your major themes after two years pushing them.
08/02/2010 02:55:22 PM
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I used to work in a call center and had a note to remind me to talk slower
08/02/2010 05:54:25 PM
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I don't hate her, and I think most liberals love her.
09/02/2010 10:45:25 AM
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way to play the pregant daughter card
09/02/2010 03:06:37 PM
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*shrugs* If you're going to suggest sex ed is harmful, unnecessary and promotes promiscuity...
10/02/2010 08:34:16 AM
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so if you don't support the liberal agenda your family is fair game for attack? nice to you admit it
10/02/2010 06:26:30 PM
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Um, no, if you're going to demand everyone follow your advice it better not be disastrous for you.
11/02/2010 05:29:01 AM
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Do you have anb example of when she demanded everyone follow her advice?
11/02/2010 05:33:17 AM
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Honestly, her sex ed position seems so muddled to me it's hard to say
11/02/2010 06:50:39 AM
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That's a bit silly
08/02/2010 08:40:25 PM
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I'm perfectly happy to discuss her positions; I just think Huckabee does a better job of it.
09/02/2010 10:26:54 AM
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Well, let's discuss some of these points
09/02/2010 07:13:33 PM
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Re: Well, let's discuss some of these points
10/02/2010 09:15:04 AM
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Re: Well, let's discuss some of these points
10/02/2010 06:49:51 PM
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Ironically, Palin seems to agree this is different than using a teleprompter for a speech.
11/02/2010 09:05:19 AM
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Again, two seperate things
11/02/2010 09:51:15 PM
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Agreed, but Palin and other Republicans, not I, drew the comparison.
15/02/2010 01:02:25 PM
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Just to get the obligatory Feinstein comment out of the way...
15/02/2010 11:43:42 PM
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Hadn't heard, actually.
19/02/2010 06:58:50 AM
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Re: Hadn't heard, actually.
19/02/2010 08:32:11 AM
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Ah.
23/02/2010 09:55:45 PM
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Re: Ah.
24/02/2010 01:32:34 AM
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Yeah, I think we've reached an understanding if not agreement.
01/03/2010 03:51:49 AM
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Re: Yeah, I think we've reached an understanding if not agreement.
01/03/2010 11:46:24 PM
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Re: Yeah, I think we've reached an understanding if not agreement.
05/03/2010 12:11:48 AM
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Random Title
05/03/2010 02:49:59 AM
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15/03/2010 09:17:53 PM
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I disagree. For all we know she has a learning disability. "Disability" does not equal "stupid".
09/02/2010 03:23:24 PM
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A possibility I hadn't considered, true, and sorry if I gave offense.
10/02/2010 08:25:52 AM
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oh yes, and the right never uses ad hominem
08/02/2010 03:56:42 PM
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I do see as the primary focus like I see from the left these days *NM*
08/02/2010 06:15:22 PM
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could you rephrase? you seem to be missing a noun or something in there. *NM*
08/02/2010 07:57:19 PM
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misisng a couple actually
08/02/2010 08:04:35 PM
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Touch typing is easier, at least to learn, if you don't try to read it at the same time, FYI.
10/02/2010 09:24:33 AM
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Really how many times can you rememeber a Bush press sec openly ridicule people in a press confrence
10/02/2010 06:28:57 PM
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Good point; all they used to do was have the VP say opponents helped terrorists.
11/02/2010 05:33:08 AM
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one is about actions ands the other is about personal attacks
05/03/2010 02:19:38 PM
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True, one is about what Palin DID and the other is just characterizing opposition as treason.
15/03/2010 04:39:45 AM
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This is petty and also rather ignorant
08/02/2010 03:59:40 AM
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so you're saying you're as dumb as sarah palin?
08/02/2010 10:55:00 AM
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In other news liberals can't get over someone being popular they don't agree with
08/02/2010 04:12:19 AM
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It's completely unprofessional
08/02/2010 08:27:47 AM
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yeah, she should have had them inscribed into her nail polish instead...
08/02/2010 10:55:43 AM
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why?
08/02/2010 02:29:44 PM
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You know that's a good question
08/02/2010 05:19:10 PM
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maybe you are just projecting
08/02/2010 06:15:57 PM
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well what is the association we have with notes on hands?
08/02/2010 07:58:41 PM
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or people on the far left are being grossly disingenuous
08/02/2010 08:18:06 PM
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dude, only posted it because it was funny
08/02/2010 08:43:55 PM
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so you like to point at people and laugh and can't understand why others would object
08/02/2010 11:24:37 PM
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Who cares? She's hot. *NM*
08/02/2010 03:06:58 PM
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Much ado about nothing. She was just making sure she didn't forget anything.
09/02/2010 02:00:56 AM
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I don't like the woman at all, but this is just silly. Who cares? *NM*
11/02/2010 10:11:17 PM
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