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to jump on the "I was homeschooled and I have social skills" bandwagon... Mat Maniac Send a noteboard - 03/03/2010 06:27:05 AM
I think the important thing to note is that the cause for many of the stereotypes is not homeschooling, but rather a parenting style that is very attracted to home schooling.

I noticed this important difference because I participated in and then worked for a Christian Ballroom Dance Cotillion, for 9 years. It started off as a social activity that was dreamed up by home schooling parents who wanted to prepare their children for upper class society. The initial population was actually quite normal, with a wide variety of personalities (my older brothers went the fist year and I started the second).

Over time the program attracted a more conservative population, including many of the "I wear jean jumpers I made myself and love horses" home schoolers. This population included some people who were fairly awkward in such a social activity, but they certainly gained a lot from it. More interestingly by the 5th year we were only about 40% home schooled, and you could pick out a "stereotypical" home schooler easily and ask them how long they've been home schooled only to find out they have been to public school all their life.

By the 7th year I was loosing my interest in the program as it grew more judgmental and socially restricting, and was probably 60% sheltered, and most of them not home schooled.

Now, (two years after I left) my sister was interested in doing it and signed up. Wow... Very restrictive on what is "modest" (my sister almost had to put on a pair of ugly floral leggings because the bottoms of he knees showed when she did a spin) The recommendation for the formal balls is to shop at Goodwill or make the dress yourself, and only "lean in" hugs are appropriate (hugs where your tummy touches are inappropriate, and an adult will be quick to tell you that mid hug). There are certainly a lot of home schoolers in that crowd, but many of them are not.

Point being that there is a correlation between homeschooling and social ineptitude, intolerance towards society, etc. but it is by no means the cause. The parents will raise their children as they see fit, and homeschooling only gives parents the freedom to do so in a more active way. Which does have its negatives... but that comes with freedom, if you prefer government regulating how kids are raised... well yeah that is a whole 'nother tangent

And the obligatory statement: As a graduated home schooler I get a lot of "Wait, you were home schooled?" Also my only social deficiency I would claim was self imposed (not getting any romantic experience till I was 23) because I did not want to deal with it yet... And I'm typically noted as being more comfortable standing up and speaking to a group (oral presentation assignments in college were/are cake assignments where you always got 90+ without much effort) and being more thoughtful in how I respond to social interactions.
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Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. - 02/03/2010 10:30:01 PM 1401 Views
Looks like a win-win situation to me. - 02/03/2010 11:01:22 PM 654 Views
Exactly - 03/03/2010 08:54:10 AM 617 Views
yah...but...but.... - 03/03/2010 01:13:31 PM 511 Views
Germany does have a history of getting rid of people it doesn't like *NM* - 03/03/2010 02:08:37 PM 392 Views
Yawn. At least beckstcw was joking when he invoked Godwin's law below. I hope. *NM* - 03/03/2010 02:10:18 PM 359 Views
That is a load of crap - 03/03/2010 02:53:02 PM 433 Views
uhm, how would Germany be offending the US? - 03/03/2010 02:56:52 PM 392 Views
I meant in general not in this specfic case - 03/03/2010 02:59:01 PM 343 Views
ahh mk *NM* - 03/03/2010 03:09:39 PM 377 Views
Um. - 03/03/2010 02:57:53 PM 281 Views
But our religious beliefs and belief in allowing religious freedom is fair game? - 03/03/2010 03:09:48 PM 276 Views
Yes? - 03/03/2010 03:40:30 PM 263 Views
If you made fun of the Native Americans I would be offended - 03/03/2010 03:46:05 PM 503 Views
It's actually quite the opposite. - 03/03/2010 03:57:19 PM 484 Views
and I would say they trying to fix intolerance with more intolerance - 03/03/2010 04:13:49 PM 270 Views
That was probably the stupidest thing I ever saw you write - 03/03/2010 03:28:39 PM 431 Views
You were the one who said good riddance - 03/03/2010 03:43:24 PM 296 Views
It's the usual story of American ideology and European pragmatism. - 03/03/2010 03:52:51 PM 457 Views
exactly. - 03/03/2010 03:56:11 PM 396 Views
Yes, because I won't miss them much. - 03/03/2010 03:55:29 PM 481 Views
well said - 03/03/2010 06:34:18 PM 473 Views
I think it's outrageous they'd fine people for that - 02/03/2010 11:07:57 PM 658 Views
Re: Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. - 03/03/2010 01:09:23 AM 786 Views
The socialization thing is mostly garbage - 03/03/2010 02:32:19 AM 660 Views
Yep, exactly. - 03/03/2010 02:41:14 AM 454 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. - 03/03/2010 03:12:48 AM 431 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. - 03/03/2010 03:34:33 AM 677 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. - 03/03/2010 04:34:30 AM 670 Views
*shrugs* I said it was anecdotal. I have no hard figures, only experiences. - 03/03/2010 03:28:29 AM 454 Views
The operative word IS mostly - 03/03/2010 04:33:20 AM 628 Views
'Mostly' is all that matters - 03/03/2010 05:46:01 AM 658 Views
Uhm, socialization is incredibly important. - 03/03/2010 06:03:30 AM 632 Views
Yes, but you don't need to be taught to do it - 03/03/2010 06:47:06 AM 593 Views
cats aren't pack or herd animals - 03/03/2010 06:53:02 AM 576 Views
Something of an inside joke, sorry - 03/03/2010 07:41:50 AM 619 Views
I'm a homeschooling parent. - 03/03/2010 07:09:03 PM 603 Views
LOL, we seem well represented on this site - 03/03/2010 10:02:16 PM 690 Views
to jump on the "I was homeschooled and I have social skills" bandwagon... - 03/03/2010 06:27:05 AM 966 Views
I think you may be missing some things - 03/03/2010 02:48:27 PM 708 Views
Re: I think you may be missing some things - 05/03/2010 12:16:37 AM 791 Views
I was homeschooled through grade 12, and my mom has done pro bono legal work for HSLDA. - 03/03/2010 02:20:38 AM 582 Views
I agree that it can be a very good option for some families - 03/03/2010 04:42:21 AM 720 Views
Re: I agree that it can be a very good option for some families - 03/03/2010 05:16:17 AM 549 Views
It depends on the public school. - 03/03/2010 05:23:09 AM 592 Views
Re: It depends on the public school. - 03/03/2010 05:45:07 AM 594 Views
"done right" is not always the case - 03/03/2010 05:58:26 AM 416 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case - 03/03/2010 06:14:43 AM 731 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case - 03/03/2010 06:31:04 AM 642 Views
Well let's talk stats then. - 03/03/2010 06:55:14 AM 604 Views
please do not get me started on statistis. - 03/03/2010 07:11:19 AM 528 Views
Re: please do not get me started on statistis. - 03/03/2010 07:28:41 AM 574 Views
you missed my point. - 03/03/2010 01:10:26 PM 594 Views
You seem to be ignoring the matter of qualified teachers. - 03/03/2010 01:29:01 PM 557 Views
Your comments on public school educations have rather limited relevance to other countries, though. - 03/03/2010 09:53:30 AM 658 Views
+ ^ *NM* - 03/03/2010 01:11:04 PM 346 Views
While I support homeschooling, this is ridiculous. - 03/03/2010 04:48:40 AM 716 Views
Meh. - 03/03/2010 05:20:50 AM 639 Views
one year in a public school - 03/03/2010 05:32:13 AM 660 Views
Re: one year in a public school - 03/03/2010 05:58:48 AM 458 Views
No, I think i will nitpick. - 03/03/2010 06:11:44 AM 576 Views
This is getting off track and wasting time. - 03/03/2010 06:26:36 AM 625 Views
I'm not even certain it's 100% legal. - 03/03/2010 06:34:44 AM 413 Views
Yes, but we can't argue abuse of law. - 03/03/2010 06:51:23 AM 530 Views
I only used Mexicans because I'm from Arizona - 03/03/2010 07:04:29 AM 626 Views
I think I have the gist of it, - 03/03/2010 07:17:40 AM 553 Views
we haven't heard anything about their beliefs for me to think they're stupid. - 03/03/2010 02:54:25 PM 633 Views
According to the Süddeutsche Zeitung... - 03/03/2010 03:38:13 PM 561 Views
they don't have private christian schools in germany? - 03/03/2010 03:54:07 PM 509 Views
Not many, I dare say, but a few probably. *NM* - 03/03/2010 03:59:11 PM 366 Views
Say what? - 03/03/2010 09:38:40 AM 506 Views
Being able raise your kids by your beliefs is a frivolous matter? - 03/03/2010 03:21:23 PM 432 Views
Germany is not saying "you can't raise your kids by your beliefs" - 03/03/2010 03:31:01 PM 556 Views
It's not a recent law, and supposedly other German families have moved to France and the UK. - 03/03/2010 03:45:56 PM 656 Views
figured that. - 03/03/2010 03:58:57 PM 562 Views
I think that would fly in very face of political assylum - 03/03/2010 04:12:48 PM 589 Views
Yes, but they did not need political asylum. - 03/03/2010 04:28:16 PM 624 Views
how is that different then other political refuges we allow in? - 03/03/2010 04:55:14 PM 518 Views
I believe Legolas linked an article - 03/03/2010 04:57:09 PM 498 Views
I never saw the link - 03/03/2010 05:08:21 PM 414 Views
I'm not sure if they offered "formal" assurances or some such - 03/03/2010 05:21:54 PM 337 Views
Compared to not being able to feed your kids, yes, it is. - 03/03/2010 03:42:58 PM 436 Views
yes but we don't grant political assylum for being hungry - 03/03/2010 04:34:23 PM 519 Views
no we don't. - 03/03/2010 04:50:31 PM 395 Views
Do you have a better system? - 03/03/2010 05:05:42 PM 683 Views
Immigration processes could certainly use some reform - 03/03/2010 05:32:22 PM 485 Views
The system sucks, big government typically does not function well - 03/03/2010 05:48:25 PM 417 Views
we probably would all be better off... - 03/03/2010 07:27:28 PM 532 Views
good because Texas is taken - 03/03/2010 07:47:46 PM 544 Views
No, true, that was about the illegal immigrants. - 03/03/2010 09:53:18 PM 638 Views
Absolutely. - 03/03/2010 09:32:41 AM 616 Views
Doesn't matter why, but all parents should have the right to homeschool..... - 03/03/2010 04:48:57 AM 452 Views
there are far worse faults for a country to have *NM* - 03/03/2010 05:14:11 AM 345 Views
That whole thing is pretty silly - 03/03/2010 12:18:45 PM 687 Views
Re: socialising. - 03/03/2010 06:13:49 PM 663 Views
And then there are secular people like myself, who - 03/03/2010 06:44:13 PM 602 Views
I think I'd do that too, if I had the patience. - 03/03/2010 06:45:20 PM 467 Views
*agree* - 03/03/2010 07:41:56 PM 652 Views
That is the catagory I'm in. - 03/03/2010 07:46:12 PM 509 Views
Re: probably more likely - 04/03/2010 12:19:37 AM 661 Views
I am opposed to homeschooling but believe it should be a legal option. - 03/03/2010 02:32:34 PM 605 Views
I think you make a good point here - 03/03/2010 05:22:59 PM 639 Views
but...but...parents can't educate their children outside of school!! - 03/03/2010 05:40:30 PM 576 Views
I don't agree with them I just support their right to be wrong - 03/03/2010 06:04:11 PM 645 Views
The statistics are flawed, as I've noted above - 03/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 493 Views
Your views on this are not fact-driven - 03/03/2010 09:13:07 PM 655 Views
No, what you're saying is that my answer isn't driven by STATISTICS. - 03/03/2010 10:36:50 PM 584 Views
Granted, but there is no obvious source for bias - 03/03/2010 10:57:19 PM 508 Views
Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone - 03/03/2010 11:51:17 PM 416 Views
Re: Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone - 04/03/2010 12:16:29 AM 637 Views
You mean aside from the fact that you are already arguing about it? - 04/03/2010 12:14:02 AM 417 Views
Yes, I mentioned this in my reply to Tom, see below... - 04/03/2010 12:19:42 AM 557 Views
Fair enough - 04/03/2010 12:21:41 AM 483 Views
Re: Fair enough - 04/03/2010 12:37:06 AM 880 Views
Re: Fair enough - 04/03/2010 09:39:38 AM 593 Views
Umm Massachusetts did have slavery in 1717 - 03/03/2010 02:55:25 PM 509 Views
Wow....so this got the board going. A question for everyone... - 03/03/2010 06:02:57 PM 701 Views
I think it is incumbent on the state to show that kids are being in some way harmed - 03/03/2010 06:07:13 PM 610 Views
Interesting - 03/03/2010 06:25:43 PM 718 Views
I never said there should be no limits on what parents should be able to do - 03/03/2010 06:38:53 PM 666 Views
What you said was: - 03/03/2010 06:51:26 PM 657 Views
I think it's safe to say teaching your kids to be little sociopaths qualifies as harm. - 03/03/2010 09:17:48 PM 439 Views
I think so too - 03/03/2010 10:46:41 PM 665 Views
Yes they do. Provided... - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 542 Views
One of the reasons... - 03/03/2010 07:40:54 PM 617 Views
that is fair enough - 03/03/2010 07:51:31 PM 516 Views
Hmmph. Inappropriate action on the part of the judge who allowed them to stay. - 03/03/2010 06:22:08 PM 558 Views
I agree completely with this. *NM* - 03/03/2010 06:42:01 PM 370 Views
agree. *NM* - 03/03/2010 06:49:01 PM 236 Views
You just skip the part where they have to show they are being persecuted - 03/03/2010 06:54:20 PM 671 Views
"Persecution" can be a matter of opinion, though. - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 645 Views
officers will track down kids ditching school here. - 03/03/2010 07:17:57 PM 712 Views
I'm not sure what they do in Canada - 03/03/2010 10:49:00 PM 560 Views
Agrees - 03/03/2010 06:54:59 PM 533 Views
New Cosmic Powers of the admins - 03/03/2010 06:52:57 PM 443 Views
It is the Power of the Ben™ *NM* - 03/03/2010 08:48:11 PM 364 Views
*walks in, looks around* - 03/03/2010 07:52:09 PM 646 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* - 03/03/2010 09:25:46 PM 412 Views
What, no defending Germany today? *NM* - 03/03/2010 10:03:01 PM 368 Views
Even I need a day off *NM* - 04/03/2010 01:02:17 AM 356 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* - 03/03/2010 10:33:24 PM 459 Views
Interesting - 03/03/2010 11:02:27 PM 633 Views
Am I recalling correctly that you know some German? - 03/03/2010 11:07:00 PM 576 Views
Sorry, nope. - 04/03/2010 09:14:49 PM 421 Views
Oh. Ah well. - 04/03/2010 09:23:11 PM 565 Views
One thing all of us homeschooled kids are missing is... - 04/03/2010 01:53:22 AM 512 Views

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