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Re: one year in a public school Aemon Send a noteboard - 03/03/2010 05:58:48 AM
is not cause for Asylum. Asylum is for fleeing refugees who are in danger for their lives or well being.


Says you, not the law. Did you read the article? An immigration attorney (who likely knows more about this than either of us, I would hope) believes the judge was right to grant them asylum, based on the statement of the law. You can get up and say "Asylum is only for people who live in places where policemen use attack lions on the populace," but that's not what the law says.

Regardless of whether this attorney fella is right, the point is that it wasn't absurd for this family to use the law as they did. A judge thought it was the right decision, and so did an immigration attorney. That lends their claim some hefty credibility, in spite of your personal opinions on the matter.

A public education in a country like Germany will not mar any child to that degree, regardless of what the parents believe.


"A public education in a country like Germany WILL mar a child to that degree, regardless of what LadyLorraine believes." -Parents

And suddenly, you're at an impasse. ;) You think it's no big deal, they think it's a big deal. It's a he-said she-said. You're just arguing an opinion.

it is the place of the government official to make the objective decision of "tough luck" and they can wait just like everyone else coming for substantially better reasons.


Er, exactly. It's the government's place to make these choices, and they said "yeah, this qualifies." Had they not, the parents would have been waiting, and we'd not be having this discussion.

I'd take any one of the mexican immigrants who stand on the corners in Arizona who waited for years and spent hundreds of dollars just to come shovel shit or dig holes in the 100+ degree heat because even that was an improvement, over a german family who for some stupid reason think a single year in a school will forever mar and scar their children beyond any hope of repair.


Most of the Mexican immigrants I've met are here illegally. These parents applied (legally) and were granted entry (legally). I have far more respect for them than I'll ever have for Jose, who shows up, doesn't pay taxes, and uses the local emergency room as his primary care (yes I'm well aware that doesn't apply to all illegal immigrants, so don't nitpick this).

Besides, it's silly to say that a concern doesn't matter simply because there are other concerns in the world that you care more about.

If they want to move here, fine. That's their choice. But they had no grounds to beg Asylum.


o-p-i-n-i-o-n. So far, the only two people I've read about who actually know anything about the law (the judge and the lawyer) said "yes, this is legal."
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+ ^ *NM* - 03/03/2010 01:11:04 PM 346 Views
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Re: one year in a public school - 03/03/2010 05:58:48 AM 459 Views
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figured that. - 03/03/2010 03:58:57 PM 564 Views
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Re: socialising. - 03/03/2010 06:13:49 PM 663 Views
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*agree* - 03/03/2010 07:41:56 PM 652 Views
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Re: Fair enough - 04/03/2010 09:39:38 AM 595 Views
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Interesting - 03/03/2010 06:25:43 PM 719 Views
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I agree completely with this. *NM* - 03/03/2010 06:42:01 PM 370 Views
agree. *NM* - 03/03/2010 06:49:01 PM 237 Views
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Agrees - 03/03/2010 06:54:59 PM 534 Views
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It is the Power of the Ben™ *NM* - 03/03/2010 08:48:11 PM 364 Views
*walks in, looks around* - 03/03/2010 07:52:09 PM 646 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* - 03/03/2010 09:25:46 PM 412 Views
What, no defending Germany today? *NM* - 03/03/2010 10:03:01 PM 369 Views
Even I need a day off *NM* - 04/03/2010 01:02:17 AM 356 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* - 03/03/2010 10:33:24 PM 459 Views
Interesting - 03/03/2010 11:02:27 PM 633 Views
Am I recalling correctly that you know some German? - 03/03/2010 11:07:00 PM 576 Views
Sorry, nope. - 04/03/2010 09:14:49 PM 421 Views
Oh. Ah well. - 04/03/2010 09:23:11 PM 566 Views
One thing all of us homeschooled kids are missing is... - 04/03/2010 01:53:22 AM 512 Views

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