How is it not propaganda? - Edit 1
Before modification by ßelals Girl at 23/02/2010 08:38:03 PM
At least going by what he told me (I'll assume it's true for the sake of argument), the documentary had little to no science backing it up and was extremely one-sided. If you had replaced "Mixed-Race" with "Aryan" I think plenty of people would consider it propaganda.
Wait, so this restaurant isn't McDonalds? I thought it was. I'd would definitely call it Mimeburgers or whatever if that's the name, but everyone was calling it McDonalds, so I assumed they were indeed talking about McDonalds.
And I don't blame them for wanting to limit American cultural influence either. They are France, not America Jr.
Yes, I'm actually quite aware of that, but I didn't want to compound the issue. I turn into a raging volcano of vitriol when talking about Elsass-Lothringen and France's fairly sucessful de-Germanization of the area, but regardless of that, I don't want to see the same happen to French culture. I want to get the other cultures out from under france's boot, yes, but I also want to see french culture remain. And I don't even like France
No, I don't think everything was better in the past. One drawback of ethnic nations is the oppression of other ethnic groups. But those were pre-existing cultural groups that France conquered/oppressed, not people immigrating to France. Obviously it is wrong to make the former be French, but I don't think it is wrong to expect people voluntarily moving to France to assimilate.
I just worry about Europe. In their quest to avoid the former situation, they seem to have become lax about the latter, and it worries me. It worries me for all of Europe (France just happens to be the country we're talking about right now). But everything I've said about france I would say about the other European nations as well. Even Poland
Also, there are still a few Breton Nationalists around? That makes my heart happy
And I find it rather ironic that in a discussion about identity and feeling that one's identity is threatened, there are several Americans in this thread talking about "McDonalds" instead of the actual chain's name, as if clearly every hamburger restaurant chain has to be the American McDonalds, whatever silly name those foreigners come up with. 
After all, if there's one country in Europe that sees threats to its cultural identity coming not just from the Muslim immigrants but also from the USA, it's France.
After all, if there's one country in Europe that sees threats to its cultural identity coming not just from the Muslim immigrants but also from the USA, it's France. Wait, so this restaurant isn't McDonalds? I thought it was. I'd would definitely call it Mimeburgers or whatever if that's the name, but everyone was calling it McDonalds, so I assumed they were indeed talking about McDonalds.
And I don't blame them for wanting to limit American cultural influence either. They are France, not America Jr.
Another irony is you talking about how French "native" culture is supposedly so under pressure, considering the way Paris has tried for several centuries now (and largely succeeded) to repress regional cultures and languages within the French borders - Breton, Occitan, Savoyard, Alsacien, the lot of them.
Yes, I'm actually quite aware of that, but I didn't want to compound the issue. I turn into a raging volcano of vitriol when talking about Elsass-Lothringen and France's fairly sucessful de-Germanization of the area, but regardless of that, I don't want to see the same happen to French culture. I want to get the other cultures out from under france's boot, yes, but I also want to see french culture remain. And I don't even like France
I don't disagree with your basic point, and as you can see in my initial reply to this discussion, I too have sympathy for those among the French who feel threatened by this kind of thing. But you're going a bit far by my taste when you start giving the impression the past was so much better and French had its idyllic culture and whatnot. The few Breton nationalists that remain may have a rather different opinion on that.
No, I don't think everything was better in the past. One drawback of ethnic nations is the oppression of other ethnic groups. But those were pre-existing cultural groups that France conquered/oppressed, not people immigrating to France. Obviously it is wrong to make the former be French, but I don't think it is wrong to expect people voluntarily moving to France to assimilate.
I just worry about Europe. In their quest to avoid the former situation, they seem to have become lax about the latter, and it worries me. It worries me for all of Europe (France just happens to be the country we're talking about right now). But everything I've said about france I would say about the other European nations as well. Even Poland
Also, there are still a few Breton Nationalists around? That makes my heart happy