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Not necessarily prejudiced or bigots Insolitus Send a noteboard - 19/02/2010 12:03:17 PM
Indeed, muslims who won't eat meat that is not dedicated to their god can now eat at those restaurants. On the other hand non-muslims who from religious reasons or on principle won't eat meat that is dedicated to some other god than their own or any god at all, can't eat there any more. This trade-off is probably profitable to the company, but I can understand why some people consider it discriminatory. Instead of deity neutral meat, these restaurants are now selling "islamic meat".
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French fast food chain goes halal Aisha - 19/02/2010 06:34:59 AM 1474 Views
that isn't unusual at all...I don't see the big deal LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 06:42:58 AM 465 Views
...how is it "discriminatory?" beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 06:49:24 AM 934 Views
just as a note LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:06:30 PM 550 Views
(It wasn't a reference to Hinduism) beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 05:29:40 PM 559 Views
yah. that's hinduism LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 05:52:41 PM 592 Views
Makes sense beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 06:12:49 PM 570 Views
Not necessarily prejudiced or bigots Insolitus - 19/02/2010 12:03:17 PM 860 Views
Not sure that works snoopcester - 19/02/2010 12:58:20 PM 616 Views
it's not discrimination in the slightest LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:13:03 PM 740 Views
That was my point snoopcester - 19/02/2010 01:22:55 PM 613 Views
sorry LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:29:11 PM 573 Views
No problem snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:02:46 PM 561 Views
Re: Not sure that works Insolitus - 19/02/2010 01:44:27 PM 572 Views
Re: Not sure that works snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:15:37 PM 722 Views
Re: Not sure that works Insolitus - 19/02/2010 02:33:30 PM 815 Views
dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:40:18 PM 645 Views
Re: dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. Insolitus - 19/02/2010 03:22:14 PM 730 Views
yes, how dare a shop specialize LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 03:44:59 PM 556 Views
Indeed *NM* Insolitus - 19/02/2010 03:53:28 PM 310 Views
...I don't think that's a thing? beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 05:31:52 PM 596 Views
To the contrary Isaac - 19/02/2010 07:07:40 PM 632 Views
the restaurant does not have 100% halal food. LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 07:40:52 PM 584 Views
It was more of an answer to beetnemesis's hypothetical comment Isaac - 19/02/2010 08:18:58 PM 688 Views
I thought that they were still serving fish, at least? *NM* LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 02:24:21 AM 372 Views
hahahaha Aisha - 20/02/2010 01:01:07 AM 665 Views
Re: hahahaha Isaac - 20/02/2010 04:10:31 AM 599 Views
Interesting beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 04:01:17 AM 611 Views
Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... Legolas - 19/02/2010 01:23:49 PM 799 Views
but what's wrong with eating halal meat? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:33:17 PM 635 Views
Nothing per se, it's largely symbolic. I'm not sure how large the changes in the menu actually are. Legolas - 19/02/2010 01:42:54 PM 758 Views
Not a theologian, are we? Isaac - 19/02/2010 02:06:38 PM 723 Views
but is it the jews and observant christians complaining? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:30:58 PM 559 Views
I've no clue Isaac - 19/02/2010 02:46:53 PM 739 Views
why would they be serving pork at a fast food anyways? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:53:36 PM 552 Views
I checked the standard menu - other than one special burger with bacon, it's true there's no pork. *NM* Legolas - 19/02/2010 02:55:44 PM 294 Views
my point is how many fast food places have pork? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 03:06:44 PM 557 Views
Well normally bacon is considered pork Isaac - 19/02/2010 03:07:45 PM 561 Views
Dude, it's France. They don't do English breakfasts. Legolas - 19/02/2010 03:19:48 PM 706 Views
American Breakfast, the english stole it from us Isaac - 19/02/2010 03:36:42 PM 658 Views
They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... Legolas - 19/02/2010 03:48:06 PM 690 Views
Re: They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... Isaac - 19/02/2010 04:16:22 PM 695 Views
Not a theologian, are we? snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:31:17 PM 581 Views
from what we discussed in Meat Sciene LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:35:59 PM 634 Views
Oh? snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:42:57 PM 661 Views
you could probably argue that it is less humane LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:54:32 PM 544 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 04:03:41 PM 796 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? Isaac - 19/02/2010 04:51:14 PM 697 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 04:54:26 PM 761 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? Isaac - 19/02/2010 05:03:28 PM 531 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 06:10:50 PM 562 Views
Upper tip Isaac - 19/02/2010 06:14:06 PM 502 Views
Re: but what's wrong with eating halal meat? Sareitha Sedai - 19/02/2010 02:33:14 PM 686 Views
+1 The Shrike - 19/02/2010 07:07:36 PM 560 Views
It is a MacDonalds not public service provider random thoughts - 19/02/2010 08:11:36 PM 565 Views
Oh, and then there's something else, though I don't know if it's a factor here... Legolas - 19/02/2010 02:41:46 PM 570 Views
Re: Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... snoopcester - 19/02/2010 01:57:15 PM 699 Views
That's what I was thinking too. Lupine - 19/02/2010 06:04:02 PM 722 Views
You think the reasons are as objective as that ? AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 02:24:36 PM 523 Views
I wouldn't exactly call the reasons I named "objective", myself. Legolas - 19/02/2010 02:37:56 PM 646 Views
Haha, yeah AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 07:24:00 PM 558 Views
Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 02:14:19 PM 675 Views
Re: Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. lyringlas - 19/02/2010 05:02:18 PM 592 Views
Are you refering to something specific ? AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 07:18:38 PM 596 Views
Re: Are you refering to something specific ? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 07:21:35 PM 516 Views
In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 07:26:51 PM 509 Views
Re: In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. lyringlas - 19/02/2010 07:30:33 PM 554 Views
The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. Legolas - 19/02/2010 08:53:44 PM 582 Views
Re: The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. lyringlas - 19/02/2010 08:55:53 PM 633 Views
Why are such politicians automatically "crazy" ßelals Girl - 19/02/2010 10:16:53 PM 684 Views
yep. *NM* AgentOrange - 20/02/2010 12:09:56 PM 267 Views
Really can't see why people would get so worked up random thoughts - 19/02/2010 03:57:37 PM 510 Views
No big deal.. Kel - 19/02/2010 04:16:08 PM 596 Views
i can't see why it matters that they did. i think it's great. *NM* temeraire - 19/02/2010 05:23:44 PM 336 Views
So, what is the difference between Halal Beef and normal beef? *NM* MightyYT - 19/02/2010 07:06:21 PM 264 Views
the way it is killed. *NM* jh - 19/02/2010 07:26:02 PM 368 Views
Call me an obvious bigot and prejudiced then. I think the way they did this is bad. The Shrike - 19/02/2010 07:10:40 PM 610 Views
Having two sources of meat would raise prices even more beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 07:56:21 PM 567 Views
Not to mention the fact that anything served as halal would have to be cooked separately Floffe - 19/02/2010 10:55:06 PM 545 Views
I wonder how teh Saudis or Iranians would react... Dragonsoul - 19/02/2010 08:51:11 PM 573 Views
most halal foods would always qualify as kosher, i believe. LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 02:26:49 AM 508 Views
Nope. But it does work the other way around. *NM* AgentOrange - 20/02/2010 04:50:26 AM 289 Views
fair enough, then *NM* LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 05:56:00 AM 430 Views
yupp, kosher counts as halal, halal is not kosher though *NM* Aisha - 20/02/2010 12:55:30 PM 384 Views
So let me get this straight... Dragonsoul - 20/02/2010 08:42:04 AM 692 Views
wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 06:28:27 PM 678 Views
I think you missed his point beckstcw - 20/02/2010 10:12:18 PM 573 Views
There are many answers one could give, but the most basic one is quite simple... Legolas - 20/02/2010 10:20:14 PM 690 Views
And yet having come of their own free will... Dragonsoul - 20/02/2010 11:11:51 PM 554 Views
Way to read half a post. I am impressed. jh - 21/02/2010 12:10:39 AM 567 Views
It always starts small. Dragonsoul - 21/02/2010 12:32:11 AM 538 Views
Awesome, you figured out their master plan!! LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:06:27 AM 623 Views
Like I said... Dragonsoul - 21/02/2010 08:43:32 AM 593 Views
and really... in this case it's a private enterprise we're talking about AgentOrange - 21/02/2010 12:55:27 AM 540 Views
exactly. *NM* LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:06:57 AM 398 Views
Oh I know, don't get me wrong. I was trying to clarify *NM* beckstcw - 21/02/2010 04:13:19 AM 318 Views
I didn't miss it, I just thought it wasn't worth noting. LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:11:14 AM 779 Views
Re: wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing Dragonsoul - 20/02/2010 10:13:12 PM 744 Views
Yes, i'm sure there is no other restaurant in that whole area. LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:04:29 AM 699 Views
that's not the point. Dragonsoul - 21/02/2010 08:46:14 AM 606 Views
dude. your 'THEY" did not do anything. LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 03:01:48 PM 662 Views
So if your French every restaurant should only be allowed to serve what you want served? random thoughts - 22/02/2010 07:18:00 PM 535 Views
I don't think French society should be forced to consume Islamic food. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 01:31:03 AM 553 Views
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 02:47:56 AM 601 Views
Sure they are. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 03:05:12 AM 587 Views
well they apparently still have 354 of that particular restaurant LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 03:20:07 AM 548 Views
Don't you get it? LiterateDog - 23/02/2010 03:51:09 AM 535 Views
Actually they're not ragheads. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 03:43:14 PM 522 Views
If you have a sarcasm meter, you might want to switch it on. *NM* LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:37:41 PM 269 Views
Indeed, 354 throughout the whole of France, which actually isn't that many. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 03:42:30 PM 578 Views
how many French people starved to death before McDonalds opened? random thoughts - 23/02/2010 04:30:32 PM 586 Views
Millions Isaac - 23/02/2010 04:41:23 PM 535 Views
Huh. Sareitha Sedai - 23/02/2010 06:10:17 PM 548 Views
They are not forced to do anything snoopcester - 23/02/2010 04:41:35 PM 527 Views
So Muslims should be forced to eat French food because the French are lazy to open more restaurants? random thoughts - 23/02/2010 04:43:13 AM 491 Views
well don't you see? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 12:41:40 PM 582 Views
Re: well don't you see? ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 05:02:16 PM 541 Views
I agree with you. *NM* Rebekah - 23/02/2010 05:10:53 PM 247 Views
This is meant to be an edit... Rebekah - 23/02/2010 05:14:23 PM 603 Views
I agree, Bekah, but it's not like there's not a middle ground LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:25:30 PM 544 Views
It's the sheer numbers that are worrisome ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 06:25:17 PM 673 Views
That assumes a great deal LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 06:52:41 PM 670 Views
Re: That assumes a great deal ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 08:00:28 PM 697 Views
Very true. Test case: Lebanon AgentOrange - 24/02/2010 12:26:43 AM 526 Views
Really? snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:02:18 AM 532 Views
What he's referring to... Legolas - 24/02/2010 10:20:22 AM 700 Views
Oh that, that I knew with the political system snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:57:08 AM 534 Views
Re: This is meant to be an edit... ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 05:43:03 PM 747 Views
Well, biologically speaking, it is healthier for the gene pool. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 06:55:11 PM 559 Views
"Propaganda"? Kind of exaggerating there... Legolas - 23/02/2010 07:48:39 PM 643 Views
How is it not propaganda? ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 08:31:12 PM 726 Views
I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 08:54:54 PM 570 Views
Re: I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 09:08:33 PM 964 Views
your view point is idealistic, I think LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 09:24:08 PM 843 Views
I guess one would have to see the documentary to really judge. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:58:47 PM 668 Views
The language really isn't the problem in France. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:15:52 PM 690 Views
I will conceed that point ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 08:53:26 PM 668 Views
Oh yeah, definitely, re: your point about Americans *NM* Legolas - 23/02/2010 09:00:20 PM 280 Views
Our differing opinion does not make us wrong. or that you are. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 09:07:38 PM 722 Views
I'm not dismissing the problem entirely. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 09:03:50 PM 678 Views
Well. I wasn't necessarily specifying France. *NM* Rebekah - 23/02/2010 09:48:44 PM 261 Views
But a lot of them were already in a part of France or had been born in a part of France snoopcester - 23/02/2010 05:30:24 PM 576 Views
*gasp* There are no French Muslims!! LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:36:38 PM 691 Views
Or! snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:04:44 AM 767 Views
It's funny because it's true - Algeria was administratively a part of France, iirc. *NM* Legolas - 23/02/2010 07:51:17 PM 232 Views
It does make the situation more complicated snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:30:28 AM 596 Views
Why should you have to completely change who you are? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:35:51 PM 542 Views
Yes, of course ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 05:48:10 PM 533 Views
Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 07:01:49 PM 528 Views
Re: Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 07:38:54 PM 667 Views
So they should be treated as less because they're immigrants? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 07:45:16 PM 614 Views
They're not Turks, they're mostly from France's old colonies. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:10:25 PM 535 Views
The French didn't seem to feel the need to go native when they were in Middle Eastern countries random thoughts - 23/02/2010 05:55:28 PM 768 Views
What are you refering to? ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 06:00:45 PM 553 Views
Brush up on your history then random thoughts - 23/02/2010 06:25:53 PM 586 Views
Thank you ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 06:34:19 PM 534 Views
I would think that simply having McDonalds there is a greater threat to French cultrue random thoughts - 23/02/2010 06:52:34 PM 667 Views
This. well stated. *NM* LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 07:03:47 PM 264 Views
Why thank you *NM* random thoughts - 23/02/2010 11:49:22 PM 262 Views
They had Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and for a while Lebanon and Syria. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:00:08 PM 737 Views
Many? Floffe - 23/02/2010 07:40:06 AM 589 Views
sorry I thought it was a restaurant random thoughts - 23/02/2010 04:41:39 AM 531 Views
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