Politicians and pundits should stop calling things that happened in the last decade "unprecedented"
Joel Send a noteboard - 02/02/2010 03:23:27 AM
I ain't going to try to recreate the unique formatting this post has on the blog, so I am just going to link to the original blog.
The GOP did the same thing for most of the '70s and '80s; in fact, Reagan got a number of key pieces of legislation (such as his tax hike on the poor) passed precisely because the GOP voted as a block while dozens of conservative Dems could be counted on to defect from the hundreds of others in the clear majority. Remember the last time we tried to pass universal healthcare? Democratic President, Democratic House, Democratic Senate, but the Republican minority voted as a unit and enough Democrats defected to kill any legislative progress.
It's not a hard and fast rule; there are true maverick Republicans (on rare occasions John McCain has actually qualified, just not much since 2000) and there are certainly plenty of kool aid drinking Dems out there. It's not just Snowe and Collins (btw, it seems to me the latter isn't a moderate RINO who stays in the party to get elected, she's a conservative in moderate clothing who talks a good game to placate her moderate constituents) most Senators, especially long serving ones, can cruise to reelection on their record, popularity and name recognition (witness Joe Lieberman losing his partys nomination for supporting a war most of his state opposed, but being easily reelected anyway. ) Yet by and large Republicans, as at least the nominal conservative party, rally around the status quo, which makes them averse to change and independence (as well as encouraging retaliation against rebels; can you imagine a Republican version of Lieberman (to the extent Lieberman's NOT a Republican)?) That's neither good nor bad, inherently; segregation was a "tradition" in desperate need of changing, but the First Amendment is not. Conversely, the old saw that "managing liberals is like herding cats" is an axiom in liberal circles and, again, at least on paper the Democrats are the liberal party. It makes them the natural home of new political thought, but, once again, that's neither good nor bad in itself; we could as easily say that wanting to repeal the First Amendment is "bad change" as say the civil rights movement is positive change. Plus, for every Wright brother there's a hundred perpetual motion machines.
I don't really think the parliamentary system is better or worse; it has different pros and cons. It encourages, sometimes mandates, coalition governments that in turn require compromise, it allows people to vote their conscience without "throwing their vote away" (especially in countries with proportional representation and/or instant runoffs) but it's frequently slow to react in a crisis, which can often result in a very sudden and complete collapse of the government when the loyal opposition demands a vote of no confidence. Committees do nothing fast or efficiently, and it's easy to get an extreme case of "the opposite of progress is Congress" with a coup de grace thrown into drive home the point and incidentally leave the government in chaos. If you happen to live in, say, London ca. 1939 that can be a problem, but it also means you can't ram things like the IWR through the legislature. Parliamentary systems tend to have a lot more Bernie Sanderses and Liebermans, and when they align with a given ruling coalition dependent on them to retain a majority they can force some major concessions, actually accomplish things without having to get 60% of the legislature first. However, it seems rather silly to say what amounts to "there's more bipartisan compromise in a parliamentary system because the loyal opposition has no influence at all over legislation. " You get compromise, but it's not truly bipartisan; it's the ruling coalition deciding HOW conservative/liberal a given policy should be while the guys across the aisle wait to be informed along with the rest of the country what the government will do. Things are a lot MORE partisan in America these days, especially with the culture wars defining everything in stark moral absolutes that classify everyone as either a saint or devil, but in our darkest hour the minority party hasn't been reduced to taking the floor just so they can vent their spleen against the majority because they're capable of nothing else.
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Why bipartisanship can't work: the expert view
01/02/2010 11:34:58 PM
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And a personal comment
01/02/2010 11:39:28 PM
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Who's to say YOU really know what's happening in Washington, though?
02/02/2010 01:41:20 AM
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not to mention those who mistake knowledge for understanding
02/02/2010 10:41:14 PM
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Even so.
05/02/2010 05:45:54 AM
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Like the NYT?
05/02/2010 02:12:36 PM
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I don't believe the Times has ever conceded bias.
05/02/2010 06:03:02 PM
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and neither does Fox so I am not sure that matters
05/02/2010 06:40:15 PM
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Note that I didn't mention Fox (or anyone, for that matter. )
05/02/2010 07:13:31 PM
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PBS is biased
05/02/2010 07:21:14 PM
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You're entitled to believe that.
05/02/2010 07:31:07 PM
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PBS has an obvious yet undeclared bias so does NPR
09/02/2010 04:47:53 AM
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Even were that true (which I dispute) my statement stands.
09/02/2010 09:50:36 AM
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so they wouldn't be biased becuas it could hurt them but you still argue republicans attack them
09/02/2010 02:19:53 PM
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We have been for some time.
02/02/2010 03:31:10 AM
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I don't think that's the case
03/02/2010 02:59:50 PM
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Universal healthcare was the primary plank in Clintons '92 platform.
04/02/2010 10:02:18 AM
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That does not mean his bare plurality was an endorsement of National Healthcare
04/02/2010 02:09:32 PM
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I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue.
05/02/2010 08:09:50 AM
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Re: I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue.
05/02/2010 03:52:23 PM
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[insert witty subject line here]
06/02/2010 02:15:21 AM
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Let me break this into multiple replies here
06/02/2010 07:45:36 PM
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'K
08/02/2010 01:22:12 PM
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Probably time to go into 'summary mode'
08/02/2010 07:34:55 PM
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Again, we're back to "how would you prefer to do it?"
09/02/2010 09:42:51 AM
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Any way that works, which currently probably is none
09/02/2010 06:12:41 PM
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I think HDI is more accurate than nothing, though it certainly needs some fine tuning.
10/02/2010 11:03:08 AM
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I'll play a bigger age card since it was my third election to vote in and he won because of Perot
05/02/2010 05:57:04 PM
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Let's put it another way: Why did Dems nominate him instead of, say, Gephardt?
06/02/2010 02:22:04 AM
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you don't get mandates from primaries
08/02/2010 02:12:29 PM
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No, but end of the day more people wanted healthcare than didn't.
08/02/2010 03:09:31 PM
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everyone want health care they just don't want congress runnig it
09/02/2010 04:56:44 AM
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Whom do you prefer?
09/02/2010 10:07:39 AM
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Sorry not a big fan of socialism I hear it big over in Europe though
09/02/2010 02:23:55 PM
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In other words you prefer the system we have; thanks for admitting it.
10/02/2010 10:05:38 AM
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I prefer Thomas Woods Jr's description of bipartisanship
02/02/2010 02:49:06 AM
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If only someone had stood up on 8 December, 1941 and said, "hey, you're not supposed to do stuff!"
02/02/2010 03:28:38 AM
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you're making a good job taking things out of context, Joel
03/02/2010 12:47:57 PM
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Don't speak in absolutes and I won't read absolutes.
04/02/2010 10:08:43 AM
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Some qualifiers can be left unsaid for a clearer message. Or better delivery
04/02/2010 10:26:56 AM
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Qualifiers are clarifying by nature.
04/02/2010 10:49:06 AM
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huh. That does make sense. I know malpractice is a big weight on the the system in the US.
04/02/2010 11:58:37 AM
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Perhaps, but it's hardly the greatest weight, or even in the top three, IMHO.
05/02/2010 05:44:49 AM
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Pearl Harbor would never have happened to a classically liberal nation
05/02/2010 01:33:56 AM
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Wow - that was a dumb statement even for you!
05/02/2010 04:22:59 PM
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I do generally agree, but I think the Washington Naval Conference is too often overlooked.
06/02/2010 02:33:51 AM
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Politicians and pundits should stop calling things that happened in the last decade "unprecedented"
02/02/2010 03:23:27 AM
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Or the democratic party has shifted so far to to the left they can't even get all of the dems
02/02/2010 02:39:14 PM
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You didn't hear all the whining when Bush was in charge with a Republican Congress?
02/02/2010 08:50:05 PM
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I there was plenty of whining going on
02/02/2010 10:36:56 PM
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Is this you conceding that the GOP is being obstructionist?
08/02/2010 01:43:04 PM
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I agree they are obstructing the libs from doing whatever they want
08/02/2010 02:19:13 PM
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They've tried including Republicans in drafting bills.
08/02/2010 03:08:17 PM
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tyring to pcik off one republican is not including republicans
09/02/2010 05:03:44 AM
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So we've gone from "stop being secretive" to "no public meetings" eh?
09/02/2010 11:59:50 AM
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well it was your guy who was up in arms about private meetings
09/02/2010 02:29:34 PM
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Was it? I don't recall any Dem complaining about private meeting on healthcare.
10/02/2010 09:44:56 AM
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most liberals seem to foretting the "rhetoric" that Obama used to get elected
13/02/2010 06:54:34 AM
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