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You want detailed answers that require detailed data I don't have. Joel Send a noteboard - 03/09/2009 06:06:55 AM
And that, because I work for a living, I don't have time to research. If you'd care to pay my bills and set aside money to get my fiancee to me (or vice versa) I'd be happy to find an answer for you. ;) Otherwise, those things take priority over answering your question right now, apart from saying it would vary with the individuals earnings and cost of living as well as annual increases in inflation.
You really are a classic class warfare lib.....sorry about that.

The rich pay enough and higher taxes will not have the affect you assume they will. After GWB's tax cuts, the rich paid a higher portion of income taxes and tax revenue increased to record highs.

What does that tell you?

If tax revenue increased so much while nonmilitary spending fell so much (both documented facts) then we were horribly misled by the cost of the Iraq war. Which makes statistics provided by those who misled us rather dubious.

What, for example, do YOU specifically mean by "the rich paid a higher portion of income taxes and tax revenue increased to record highs"? I'd like to see a source on the latter given we were in a series of recessions for most of Bushs two terms. With the increases we saw in unemployment I can certainly see how the wealthiest might have their taxes reduced, either as a percentage or in raw dollars, and still pay a greater share of the tax burden than the rapidly shrinking middle class. I can't help wondering how, even though the promised economic stimulus failed to materialize, tax revenue increased as both earnings and tax rates fell. Sounds like fuzzy math to me, but then, a very smart guy always said it was.... ;)
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For Europeans who don't understand why Americans are against ObamaCare Tom - 03/09/2009 04:24:35 AM 1233 Views
I'd be happy to tax top "earners" more and suffer Europes economic "collapse. " Joel - 03/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 702 Views
The US will never work with socialism. Tom - 03/09/2009 04:40:21 AM 773 Views
Re: The US will never work with socialism. Joel - 03/09/2009 04:58:47 AM 760 Views
I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown Brian - 03/09/2009 05:04:34 AM 692 Views
It's advanced beyond what it was during the Revolution, I think. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:18:22 AM 732 Views
I would say it's grown with the government Brian - 03/09/2009 05:23:52 AM 712 Views
The key is that government shouldn't be heavily involved in personal lives. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:58:39 AM 740 Views
Re: I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:30:23 AM 660 Views
If I lived in France I wouldn't trust the Government either. Brian - 04/09/2009 03:44:55 AM 724 Views
*laughs* the point is taken. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:24:07 AM 465 Views
Re: The US will never work with socialism. Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:28:24 AM 819 Views
How much more can we really tax the wealthy?? Brian - 03/09/2009 04:41:14 AM 617 Views
Sadly, I think going back to the Clinton rates would help Tom - 03/09/2009 04:42:54 AM 597 Views
I'm ok with that....not super excited....but ok with it Brian - 03/09/2009 04:57:32 AM 614 Views
A lot; before Reagans "reforms" we already taxed them less than any other industrialized state did. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:06:00 AM 735 Views
I'm in the lower-middle class tax bracket Brian - 03/09/2009 05:13:39 AM 662 Views
It's both, IMHO. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:29:41 AM 577 Views
I hear a lot of socialism coming from you..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 05:19:08 AM 597 Views
Re: I hear a lot of socialism coming from you..... Joel - 03/09/2009 05:40:32 AM 684 Views
Nice non-answer answer..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 05:52:04 AM 693 Views
You want detailed answers that require detailed data I don't have. Joel - 03/09/2009 06:06:55 AM 745 Views
Here are some facts and analyses..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 02:40:22 PM 783 Views
The Heritage Foundation, huh? Joel - 03/09/2009 03:01:17 PM 802 Views
The non-working wealthy? Please quantify..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 03:31:58 PM 767 Views
So you accept the CBOs assessment the House healthcare bill will be $1 trillion over the next decade Joel - 04/09/2009 03:02:13 AM 677 Views
Wow, that was one of the dumbest posts I have ever read..... trzaska2000 - 05/09/2009 05:42:45 AM 718 Views
So you're saying you DON'T proofread...? Joel - 05/09/2009 05:59:49 AM 842 Views
Paris Hilton? Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:43:19 AM 676 Views
You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin. Tom - 04/09/2009 03:15:55 AM 781 Views
Re: You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin. Joel - 04/09/2009 03:59:21 AM 865 Views
Less than 200 people were said to be US persons with Swiss accounts Сталин - 04/09/2009 04:16:24 AM 660 Views
And yet account for many millions of dollars; what does that say...? Joel - 04/09/2009 04:21:57 AM 658 Views
It's statistically insignificant and your hyperbole is reminiscent of screaming guests on CNN. Сталин - 04/09/2009 02:07:31 PM 598 Views
Well, look at this way: Joel - 04/09/2009 02:24:03 PM 726 Views
That's not a solution. Сталин - 05/09/2009 02:39:12 AM 732 Views
The Soviets weren't socialist, or even communist, so it's a false comparison. Joel - 05/09/2009 03:09:06 AM 675 Views
Okay, now you've just gone into Kool-aid drinking territory. Сталин - 05/09/2009 04:32:07 AM 795 Views
Communist THEORY is predicated on democratic participation at every level,totally absent in the USSR Joel - 05/09/2009 04:55:00 AM 914 Views
FINALLY!!! Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:22:53 AM 711 Views
Ever heard of the 20-80 rule? Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:28:54 AM 591 Views
Yes, and 90% of people are idiots. Сталин - 05/09/2009 02:41:35 AM 898 Views
Re: Yes, and 90% of people are idiots. Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:09:30 AM 713 Views
Top earners? Please define.....what income and how much more? *NM* trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:52:25 AM 457 Views
That would be open to definition, and should change with inflation. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:13:02 AM 847 Views
What is your justification for taking over 50% of anyone's income? trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 05:28:22 AM 786 Views
That's a good example of why I say the rate has to be set to cost of living. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:50:16 AM 812 Views
Still no comment on the fact that 40% of Americans don't pay any income taxes? trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 02:32:12 PM 730 Views
To what 40% do you refer? Joel - 03/09/2009 02:42:55 PM 590 Views
Dude, you are not making this easy..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 03:38:01 PM 632 Views
No one "gets money from the IRS. " Joel - 04/09/2009 02:55:02 AM 637 Views
Actually with EIC you can get money back that you never paid in. Brian - 04/09/2009 02:56:43 AM 627 Views
It MIGHT be possible with the EIC, but in practice few people get more than they paid. Joel - 04/09/2009 03:43:36 AM 674 Views
I don't know, I've known plenty of people that have gotten more back than they paid in Brian - 04/09/2009 03:46:29 AM 757 Views
A neat trick then. Joel - 04/09/2009 04:09:58 AM 753 Views
To be fair Brian - 04/09/2009 04:50:20 AM 696 Views
Ah, gotcha. Joel - 04/09/2009 04:53:58 AM 706 Views
Yet another example of your ignorance on tax policy. Tom - 04/09/2009 03:19:39 AM 579 Views
The word I notice is "welfare" Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:57:01 AM 697 Views
I wouldn't say that's what it means.... Brian - 04/09/2009 04:02:40 AM 702 Views
It's what welfare means to me... Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:32:17 AM 713 Views
I was just talking about EIC as a form of welfare, not welfare welfare. *NM* Brian - 04/09/2009 04:45:13 AM 412 Views
yes, I get that now. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 05:02:53 AM 396 Views
*NM* Brian - 04/09/2009 05:14:01 AM 392 Views
Not necessarily Сталин - 04/09/2009 04:11:41 AM 627 Views
*shrugs* I have a soft heart. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:30:52 AM 404 Views
It's a credit for people who file a return on income that's been taxed. Joel - 04/09/2009 04:19:57 AM 637 Views
It is only for the WORKING poor, yes. Сталин - 04/09/2009 02:12:55 PM 621 Views
Mean it may be, but hardly illegal. Joel - 04/09/2009 02:31:16 PM 651 Views
How does the business benefit? Сталин - 04/09/2009 04:54:27 PM 651 Views
I didn't realize you meant literal withholding. Joel - 05/09/2009 03:03:32 AM 670 Views
That's a no-no, Joel AgentOrange - 03/09/2009 07:32:03 AM 632 Views
Europe impresses me for one simple reason: Joel - 03/09/2009 09:21:28 AM 686 Views
No real comments, just 100% agree with you....plus the $12 trillion is terrifying to me. *NM* Brian - 03/09/2009 04:33:39 AM 298 Views
If that scares you, check this out! trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:48:56 AM 763 Views
Excellent post - the US government is not capable of running HC..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:40:19 AM 577 Views
There is one thing the government did right Tom - 03/09/2009 04:41:36 AM 687 Views
The bailout, some of it, was necessary..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:51:03 AM 684 Views
I still think it was too one sided. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:21:45 AM 725 Views
It depends on your level of cynicism nossy - 03/09/2009 05:38:53 AM 747 Views
when have they ever cut the fat? random thoughts - 03/09/2009 08:35:36 PM 674 Views
Contrary to popular belief, they are quite good at it nossy - 03/09/2009 09:05:15 PM 701 Views
Well there is only one catch *NM* random thoughts - 03/09/2009 10:56:00 PM 390 Views
This doesn't make sense to me. Tim - 03/09/2009 08:33:18 AM 681 Views
The key phrase is "should be. " Joel - 03/09/2009 09:38:15 AM 846 Views
Re: The key phrase is "should be. " Lady Isa Avanderidhril - 03/09/2009 09:47:39 AM 719 Views
That sounds like a good stop gap to me. Joel - 03/09/2009 09:50:57 AM 744 Views
In fairness, most Europeans don't seem to realize what ObamaCare is. Legolas - 03/09/2009 02:34:01 PM 724 Views
What makes you think we do? nossy - 03/09/2009 09:11:06 PM 737 Views
Oh, you don't either. I thought that went without saying. *NM* Legolas - 03/09/2009 09:25:54 PM 405 Views
As far as most people I know are concerned, opposition to ObamaCare isn't the issue. Rebekah - 03/09/2009 11:04:36 PM 818 Views
It's hard not to be horrified with a government as wasteful as ours Brian - 03/09/2009 11:24:59 PM 593 Views
I can understand horror of governments. Rebekah - 03/09/2009 11:30:23 PM 594 Views
a bit, yes. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:08:37 AM 422 Views
For Americans who don't understand why Canadians like their public healthcare. Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:23:11 AM 703 Views
Correction ßelals Girl - 04/09/2009 04:44:32 AM 700 Views
Re: Correction Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 05:05:11 AM 775 Views
In all honesty.... Brian - 04/09/2009 05:18:23 AM 649 Views
Re: In all honesty.... Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 07:19:28 AM 734 Views
Re: Correction ßelals Girl - 04/09/2009 05:24:49 PM 660 Views
Re: Correction Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:11:45 AM 853 Views
That's a nice theory. Joel - 04/09/2009 02:49:34 PM 709 Views
It's a fact ßelals Girl - 04/09/2009 05:21:59 PM 703 Views
Re: It's a fact Joel - 05/09/2009 03:18:39 AM 664 Views
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