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My perspective as someone who is for the most part an Atheist? Brian Send a noteboard - 28/01/2010 01:13:02 AM
Or my perspective as someone who was raised as a Roman-Catholic, confirmed into the church, studied basically every major religion in the world, who spent the first 18 years of his life as a practicing member of the church and still has close ties to his very religious family? Cause I mean....based on my past I'd say that I have a fairly good view of both sides of the argument.

I don't hold people's religious beliefs against them, and I don't respect anyone any less because of their beliefs. Some people need their religion and it's something that gives them a lot of satisfaction. I respect that, and I'm happy for them.

I understand what you're trying to say, but self-worth has nothing to do with why I would think that an omnipotent being would care about a random person or especially care if a random creature believes in it. It is inconceivable to me that a higher power would care about something so silly as what one person thinks anywhere.

As far as the violence stuff goes, all I really have to say is that more atrocities are committed in the name of god or because of religion than just about anything else that I can think of. The people who perpetuate violence in the name of religion are a minority, and I also accept that...but it doesn't change my perspective that religion causes an inordinate amount of strife and rather than being a uniting force in the world it tends to be divisive instead.

Finally, I never said anything about considering the people that believe in god to be stupid or hicks, or anything of the sort. They simply hold a belief that in my mind is incomprehensible. I view the world in an extremely logical manner, and what I can see feel, or prove is what I find to be real. It may be an extremely cynical view of the world, but it is what it is. I have never seen something that says to me that there is a higher power, I have never seen a single piece of evidence that would even lead me to possibly believe that it is proof of a higher power. I have never felt deep in my heart/soul/whatever that feeling of faith or anything of the sort. On the other hand I've seen plenty of evidence that my view of the world is a correct one. Am I exchanging the god of the bible for one named science and logic? Perhaps I am, but I'm ok with that, because science is tangible.

Do I fear that when I die that I will cease to exist? No, I really don't. I'm ok with accepting that I am a collection of memories and experiences, and that when my body ceases functioning that whatever it is that I am is going to be gone as well.

I have my own theories as to why religion is so pervasive, but I'm not really here to debate my belief on that, because that will offend people, and that isn't my goal. I respect people's religious beliefs and like I said, I think no less of them because of them. If it makes people happy, then I'm glad that they get something from it.
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Anti-Abortion CBS Super Bowl commercial - 27/01/2010 05:35:37 PM 1817 Views
I think that its a fantastic idea... - 27/01/2010 05:46:17 PM 1084 Views
agreed... somewhat. - 27/01/2010 05:52:26 PM 1027 Views
See, that's the debate here... - 27/01/2010 06:03:01 PM 838 Views
depending on the developmental stage, an embryo might be nothign more than a clump of cells. - 27/01/2010 07:18:25 PM 717 Views
You make baby Allah cry. *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 514 Views
was it the dog comparison? - 27/01/2010 07:59:22 PM 883 Views
Nah, Dog is God reversed, after all. - 27/01/2010 08:29:12 PM 836 Views
parasites! parasites i say!!! - 27/01/2010 08:37:53 PM 856 Views
yeah except islam allows abortion in certain conditions - 28/01/2010 05:43:29 AM 854 Views
Do those conditions include "I don't want a baby"? - 28/01/2010 11:52:24 PM 1070 Views
some scholars say yes, some say no - 29/01/2010 05:51:18 AM 966 Views
Shall we be technical.... - 27/01/2010 09:28:20 PM 845 Views
And since when are you a trained eye? - 27/01/2010 09:52:05 PM 953 Views
A valid question - 27/01/2010 10:07:16 PM 830 Views
Okay then, that's fair enough - 27/01/2010 10:48:10 PM 844 Views
If there's a chance the mother might die... - 27/01/2010 07:30:54 PM 908 Views
Which is why I'm against elective abortion - 27/01/2010 09:33:59 PM 862 Views
Then we are in accord. - 27/01/2010 10:00:32 PM 873 Views
That works.... - 27/01/2010 10:10:22 PM 872 Views
And I think that is wonderful. - 27/01/2010 10:33:05 PM 969 Views
I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:21:02 PM 909 Views
Re: I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:35:30 PM 875 Views
Go ahead and pay for one.... - 27/01/2010 06:37:18 PM 987 Views
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at your - 27/01/2010 07:03:39 PM 861 Views
how does atheism take anything away? - 27/01/2010 07:20:49 PM 892 Views
Exactly - 27/01/2010 07:29:49 PM 872 Views
Smiles.... - 27/01/2010 09:38:25 PM 841 Views
just because you believe in god - 27/01/2010 09:57:39 PM 737 Views
losing, not loosing *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:22:51 PM 523 Views
Re: Smiles.... - 29/01/2010 09:03:48 PM 815 Views
LOL It only "takes away" mental enslavement. - 27/01/2010 07:50:56 PM 865 Views
Who says? - 27/01/2010 09:42:07 PM 853 Views
You're not "open" to anything. - 27/01/2010 10:02:03 PM 992 Views
I don't need your sadness dude...or your pity. - 27/01/2010 10:19:43 PM 877 Views
Personally speaking - 27/01/2010 10:36:45 PM 906 Views
Although off topic that's exactly how I see it too. *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:43:49 PM 513 Views
But notice your perspective Brian... - 27/01/2010 11:08:52 PM 985 Views
Your argument assumes in the existance of the Christian God. - 27/01/2010 11:28:16 PM 842 Views
Because we're His children - 28/01/2010 01:08:20 AM 876 Views
My perspective as someone who is for the most part an Atheist? - 28/01/2010 01:13:02 AM 794 Views
You have a very odd and self-serving notion of what "open" is. - 28/01/2010 12:12:06 AM 4214 Views
Tolerance much? - 27/01/2010 08:11:12 PM 917 Views
I took care of that. - 27/01/2010 08:33:18 PM 897 Views
Don't read an emotion into that I didn't put into it. - 27/01/2010 09:44:37 PM 705 Views
Oh, well there are examples. Google those ads I mentioned - 27/01/2010 11:24:10 PM 709 Views
all athesim means is not believing in deities 9_9 - 27/01/2010 11:30:37 PM 712 Views
Fortunately, positivity doesn't appear to be the qualifying characteristic - 27/01/2010 08:26:28 PM 813 Views
Well there is a difference between... - 27/01/2010 09:47:36 PM 1010 Views
The fact is that it was a positive message, whether you agreed with it or not. - 27/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 872 Views
Says the Protestant. - 27/01/2010 11:22:05 PM 864 Views
What is the UCC? *NM* - 29/01/2010 02:59:07 AM 538 Views
United Church of Christ - 29/01/2010 02:24:11 PM 756 Views
I don't think it is the same thing - 27/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 724 Views
I wasn't making an argument- just that it'd be interesting - 27/01/2010 08:11:57 PM 703 Views
that I can agree with - 27/01/2010 08:27:30 PM 809 Views
Re: I think that its a fantastic idea... - 28/01/2010 03:36:11 AM 821 Views
Hey whatever they want to pay for - 27/01/2010 05:52:11 PM 908 Views
Hahahaha... I couldn't care less, but this line cracked me up - 27/01/2010 06:19:37 PM 903 Views
wow...I didn't even think of that... - 27/01/2010 06:39:04 PM 848 Views
Heh. *NM* - 28/01/2010 10:43:43 PM 525 Views
I think they need to treat all sides the same - 27/01/2010 06:49:47 PM 842 Views
agreed *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:15:48 PM 521 Views
this. *NM* - 28/01/2010 01:33:01 AM 466 Views
whether you agree with Tebow or not... - 27/01/2010 06:51:58 PM 876 Views
I don't think there'd be a problem if it wasn't the Super Bowl - 27/01/2010 07:35:18 PM 831 Views
The problem is the hyprocrisy of CBS. - 27/01/2010 07:56:58 PM 966 Views
Bingo. - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 721 Views
And they claim this is the result of you liberal types pissing and moaning. - 27/01/2010 08:40:57 PM 805 Views
Yeah, I'm sure that's it. - 27/01/2010 08:44:26 PM 708 Views
"the buggery agenda" - 27/01/2010 08:47:28 PM 847 Views
I know, I loved it! I might start using that instead of Fagenda. *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:03:53 PM 536 Views
You might need to rework titles too. "Most Buggered", "Her Buggerness" - 27/01/2010 09:06:44 PM 981 Views
this commercial is only a big deal to those - 27/01/2010 07:59:27 PM 909 Views
I really, really hope a pro-choice group buys the next ad space - 27/01/2010 08:09:16 PM 971 Views
Replace Hitler with Ben Affleck and I'd help pay for it. - 27/01/2010 08:12:25 PM 719 Views
that's funny enough it'd pay for itself - 27/01/2010 08:13:31 PM 816 Views
But how would you folks argue on the internet then? I'd still have Stalin... *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:49:17 PM 497 Views
I'm sure people could think of something *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:00:23 PM 393 Views
LMAO! that would be awesome *NM* - 28/01/2010 12:02:25 AM 532 Views
The funny thing is - 27/01/2010 08:28:22 PM 1027 Views
Oh no you di'in't! - 27/01/2010 08:54:47 PM 634 Views
I had a similar thought... - 27/01/2010 10:17:15 PM 829 Views
*NM* - 28/01/2010 01:12:46 AM 475 Views
*brain explodes* - 27/01/2010 08:30:51 PM 739 Views
are your sinuses clear now? *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:54:18 PM 483 Views
Oddly enough, they aren't. - 27/01/2010 08:59:27 PM 886 Views
thats what you get for living in the hill country - 27/01/2010 09:10:09 PM 805 Views
Not my idea, and I'm working on it. - 28/01/2010 12:36:17 AM 835 Views
the super bowl is no place for political messages, no matter how thinly veiled. - 28/01/2010 05:15:13 AM 740 Views
Are you saying that CBS should be required to run an opposing ad? *NM* - 28/01/2010 05:19:39 AM 472 Views
if they are going to approve a political message, they should be required to air the opposite view - 28/01/2010 05:27:33 AM 738 Views
I'm pretty strongly pro-choice and even I find that silly. *NM* - 28/01/2010 06:55:37 AM 534 Views
What kind of ad would they run in response? - 28/01/2010 11:50:10 PM 866 Views
more like.... - 29/01/2010 03:20:24 AM 979 Views
The problem with Pro-Choice is... - 28/01/2010 02:12:13 PM 842 Views
Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 02:44:21 PM 824 Views
Re: Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 03:27:03 PM 938 Views
I can't see Youtube at work and am out the next couple of nights so I can't see it till the weekend - 28/01/2010 03:36:48 PM 710 Views
I know you were going to tell me that it was slanted... - 28/01/2010 03:57:37 PM 856 Views
That is unfair on me - 28/01/2010 04:18:07 PM 850 Views
Sorry...wasn't trying to be unfair.... - 28/01/2010 04:34:18 PM 878 Views
Apology accepted - 28/01/2010 04:52:39 PM 693 Views
...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 03:46:25 PM 720 Views
Re: ...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 04:03:46 PM 834 Views
An unfortunate choice of words.... - 28/01/2010 07:00:18 PM 711 Views
I don't think it's so much a matter of supplying misleading information, - 28/01/2010 11:07:24 PM 776 Views
Ah, - 29/01/2010 02:51:22 PM 820 Views
No. - 29/01/2010 06:10:47 PM 913 Views

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