I'm a veterinary student who's taken a reasonable amount of repro classes that discuss comparative embryology 
I'm still don't necessarily agree with you, but I'll at least listen 
It still doesn't clear up the issue, though, even if the development is different. the right to live is something that is debated on even with full grown adults. You choose to err on the side of caution. I choose to err on the side of inclusion. I admit that's a lot more paper shuffling in the law and probably wouldn't end up being effective most of the time...but I just believe that's how it should be done.
As for fully elective abortion...Ethically I 100% agree with you. Legally...I'm very undecided. On one hand, I think that fully elective abortion (i.e. not for medical reasons/rape) gives people the freedom to make choices based on their own ethical beliefs on the issue. There are a lot of reasons besides medical that a mother might decide the child is better off never living. We could argue the legitimacy of each one all night long, but I think the issue is too gray to definitively say X person is right, Y person is wrong, etc...etc...
On the other hand, people are stupid and selfish and there is the risk of a great deal of lost potential. And as much as the world really does not need more humans littering its surface, that does not make human lives less valuable.
I really just can't make myself take a yes/no position on it. Fence-sitter, flip flopper, call me what you will. I haven't finished weighing my pros and cons, so I guess I'll just have to deal with it
I'm still don't necessarily agree with you, but I'll at least listen It still doesn't clear up the issue, though, even if the development is different. the right to live is something that is debated on even with full grown adults. You choose to err on the side of caution. I choose to err on the side of inclusion. I admit that's a lot more paper shuffling in the law and probably wouldn't end up being effective most of the time...but I just believe that's how it should be done.
As for fully elective abortion...Ethically I 100% agree with you. Legally...I'm very undecided. On one hand, I think that fully elective abortion (i.e. not for medical reasons/rape) gives people the freedom to make choices based on their own ethical beliefs on the issue. There are a lot of reasons besides medical that a mother might decide the child is better off never living. We could argue the legitimacy of each one all night long, but I think the issue is too gray to definitively say X person is right, Y person is wrong, etc...etc...
On the other hand, people are stupid and selfish and there is the risk of a great deal of lost potential. And as much as the world really does not need more humans littering its surface, that does not make human lives less valuable.
I really just can't make myself take a yes/no position on it. Fence-sitter, flip flopper, call me what you will. I haven't finished weighing my pros and cons, so I guess I'll just have to deal with it
Still Empress of the Poofy Purple Pillow Pile Palace!!
Continued Love of my Aussie <3
Continued Love of my Aussie <3
Anti-Abortion CBS Super Bowl commercial
- 27/01/2010 05:35:37 PM
1752 Views
I think that its a fantastic idea...
- 27/01/2010 05:46:17 PM
1034 Views
agreed... somewhat.
- 27/01/2010 05:52:26 PM
963 Views
See, that's the debate here...
- 27/01/2010 06:03:01 PM
780 Views
depending on the developmental stage, an embryo might be nothign more than a clump of cells.
- 27/01/2010 07:18:25 PM
654 Views
You make baby Allah cry. *NM*
- 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM
488 Views
was it the dog comparison?
- 27/01/2010 07:59:22 PM
828 Views
yeah except islam allows abortion in certain conditions
- 28/01/2010 05:43:29 AM
777 Views
Shall we be technical....
- 27/01/2010 09:28:20 PM
783 Views
And since when are you a trained eye?
- 27/01/2010 09:52:05 PM
889 Views
A valid question
- 27/01/2010 10:07:16 PM
767 Views
Okay then, that's fair enough
- 27/01/2010 10:48:10 PM
775 Views
If there's a chance the mother might die...
- 27/01/2010 07:30:54 PM
846 Views
What if the "real" preson is an asshole? I'd gamble on the baby who has the potential to not be.
- 27/01/2010 08:44:57 PM
747 Views
Which is why I'm against elective abortion
- 27/01/2010 09:33:59 PM
801 Views
Then we are in accord.
- 27/01/2010 10:00:32 PM
808 Views
I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad
- 27/01/2010 06:21:02 PM
879 Views
Go ahead and pay for one....
- 27/01/2010 06:37:18 PM
929 Views
how does atheism take anything away?
- 27/01/2010 07:20:49 PM
830 Views
LOL It only "takes away" mental enslavement.
- 27/01/2010 07:50:56 PM
801 Views
Who says?
- 27/01/2010 09:42:07 PM
795 Views
You're not "open" to anything.
- 27/01/2010 10:02:03 PM
930 Views
I don't need your sadness dude...or your pity.
- 27/01/2010 10:19:43 PM
808 Views
Personally speaking
- 27/01/2010 10:36:45 PM
841 Views
Tolerance much?
- 27/01/2010 08:11:12 PM
850 Views
Don't read an emotion into that I didn't put into it.
- 27/01/2010 09:44:37 PM
649 Views
Your comment is rude and narrow minded. Regardless of what emotion you feel
- 28/01/2010 03:20:11 PM
804 Views
Fortunately, positivity doesn't appear to be the qualifying characteristic
- 27/01/2010 08:26:28 PM
749 Views
Well there is a difference between...
- 27/01/2010 09:47:36 PM
947 Views
The fact is that it was a positive message, whether you agreed with it or not.
- 27/01/2010 09:52:47 PM
811 Views
I don't think it is the same thing
- 27/01/2010 07:17:19 PM
663 Views
Followed by an add of all the babies that should have been aborted? *NM*
- 29/01/2010 05:53:43 PM
519 Views
The problem is the hyprocrisy of CBS.
- 27/01/2010 07:56:58 PM
899 Views
And they claim this is the result of you liberal types pissing and moaning.
- 27/01/2010 08:40:57 PM
749 Views
"the buggery agenda"
- 27/01/2010 08:47:28 PM
784 Views
I know, I loved it! I might start using that instead of Fagenda. 
*NM*
- 27/01/2010 09:03:53 PM
513 Views
*NM*
- 27/01/2010 09:03:53 PM
513 Views
You might need to rework titles too. "Most Buggered", "Her Buggerness"
- 27/01/2010 09:06:44 PM
921 Views
I really, really hope a pro-choice group buys the next ad space
- 27/01/2010 08:09:16 PM
891 Views
Replace Hitler with Ben Affleck and I'd help pay for it.
- 27/01/2010 08:12:25 PM
662 Views
- 27/01/2010 08:12:25 PM
662 Views
That would work also. The main thing is to pick someone who has committed crimes against humanity
- 28/01/2010 10:57:28 AM
600 Views
But how would you folks argue on the internet then? I'd still have Stalin... *NM*
- 27/01/2010 08:49:17 PM
472 Views
*brain explodes*
- 27/01/2010 08:30:51 PM
671 Views
are your sinuses clear now? *NM*
- 27/01/2010 08:54:18 PM
461 Views
*NM*
- 27/01/2010 08:54:18 PM
461 Views
Oddly enough, they aren't.
- 27/01/2010 08:59:27 PM
824 Views
the super bowl is no place for political messages, no matter how thinly veiled.
- 28/01/2010 05:15:13 AM
676 Views
Are you saying that CBS should be required to run an opposing ad? *NM*
- 28/01/2010 05:19:39 AM
446 Views
if they are going to approve a political message, they should be required to air the opposite view
- 28/01/2010 05:27:33 AM
664 Views
The problem with Pro-Choice is...
- 28/01/2010 02:12:13 PM
777 Views
Not really a fair comment
- 28/01/2010 02:44:21 PM
766 Views
Re: Not really a fair comment
- 28/01/2010 03:27:03 PM
870 Views
I can't see Youtube at work and am out the next couple of nights so I can't see it till the weekend
- 28/01/2010 03:36:48 PM
652 Views
I know you were going to tell me that it was slanted...
- 28/01/2010 03:57:37 PM
805 Views
That is unfair on me
- 28/01/2010 04:18:07 PM
789 Views
...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare
- 28/01/2010 03:46:25 PM
662 Views
Re: ...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare
- 28/01/2010 04:03:46 PM
770 Views
I don't think it's so much a matter of supplying misleading information,
- 28/01/2010 11:07:24 PM
744 Views