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I wasn't commenting on the commercial, I did that further below. LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 27/01/2010 08:59:17 PM
then you have to make a decision between the possibility to lose two people (one of whom is a fully developed person entrenched in society with relationships, personal history, etc...etc...) or only losing a mass of cells that there is no attachment to other than biological drive and "oh but what might have been!!"
You can easily extend the same argument to babies.


You can extend the same argument to any stranger. And also a baby is very clearly alive, whereas at what point someone becomes "human" is still up to a great deal of debate and subjectivity.

So yes...the mother's decision allowed for "Tim" to be born. But what if she had died before carrying to term? his mother would have been gone and quite possibly Tim as well, leading to a more tragic ending.
Dead Christians is a tragedy?


Of course it is.

There is too many factors to declare that abortion be declared illegal. The government should not demand people sacrifice their own health for the sake of an embryo. If a family wants to, that is their choice. If a family does not want to, it is their choice.
They made their choice when they got pregnant.


Some obstetric issues do not become apparent until investigated, and most people do not have a thorough examination before becoming pregnant. They assume "I am healthy, I have never had reproductive issues, and thus I should be able to bear children". Even those who do and have made the conscious decision to not have children may become pregnant by protection error or perhaps even rape. Yes, if you become pregnant knowing that you put your own health at risk, that is a very poor excuse to use to get an abortion. But many people are not in that situation, and many people do not "plan" to get pregnant. Not to mention the poor souls who become pregnant after being raped.

And no, a child is not to be held accountable for the circumstances of his birth, but there is no definitive measure for one becomes an entity. As I'm sure you are aware, there are arguments from conception all the way to parturition. Many of the arguments on all sides are very subjective and unscientific, and there is absolutely no scientific or objective consensus.

I do not advocate everyone who has an accidental pregnancy, or decides they don't want to be pregnant getting an abortion. That is a horrible waste of potential life, and irresponsible. But I believe it should remain an open option for situations like unexpected complications or rape.
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Anti-Abortion CBS Super Bowl commercial - 27/01/2010 05:35:37 PM 1752 Views
I think that its a fantastic idea... - 27/01/2010 05:46:17 PM 1034 Views
agreed... somewhat. - 27/01/2010 05:52:26 PM 963 Views
See, that's the debate here... - 27/01/2010 06:03:01 PM 780 Views
depending on the developmental stage, an embryo might be nothign more than a clump of cells. - 27/01/2010 07:18:25 PM 654 Views
You make baby Allah cry. *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 488 Views
was it the dog comparison? - 27/01/2010 07:59:22 PM 828 Views
Nah, Dog is God reversed, after all. - 27/01/2010 08:29:12 PM 772 Views
parasites! parasites i say!!! - 27/01/2010 08:37:53 PM 795 Views
yeah except islam allows abortion in certain conditions - 28/01/2010 05:43:29 AM 777 Views
Do those conditions include "I don't want a baby"? - 28/01/2010 11:52:24 PM 1007 Views
some scholars say yes, some say no - 29/01/2010 05:51:18 AM 901 Views
Shall we be technical.... - 27/01/2010 09:28:20 PM 783 Views
And since when are you a trained eye? - 27/01/2010 09:52:05 PM 888 Views
A valid question - 27/01/2010 10:07:16 PM 766 Views
Okay then, that's fair enough - 27/01/2010 10:48:10 PM 774 Views
If there's a chance the mother might die... - 27/01/2010 07:30:54 PM 846 Views
What if the "real" preson is an asshole? I'd gamble on the baby who has the potential to not be. - 27/01/2010 08:44:57 PM 747 Views
I wasn't commenting on the commercial, I did that further below. - 27/01/2010 08:59:17 PM 765 Views
Which is why I'm against elective abortion - 27/01/2010 09:33:59 PM 801 Views
Then we are in accord. - 27/01/2010 10:00:32 PM 808 Views
That works.... - 27/01/2010 10:10:22 PM 813 Views
And I think that is wonderful. - 27/01/2010 10:33:05 PM 912 Views
I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:21:02 PM 879 Views
Re: I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:35:30 PM 821 Views
Go ahead and pay for one.... - 27/01/2010 06:37:18 PM 928 Views
- 27/01/2010 07:01:59 PM 852 Views
at your - 27/01/2010 07:03:39 PM 793 Views
how does atheism take anything away? - 27/01/2010 07:20:49 PM 830 Views
Exactly - 27/01/2010 07:29:49 PM 810 Views
Smiles.... - 27/01/2010 09:38:25 PM 783 Views
just because you believe in god - 27/01/2010 09:57:39 PM 678 Views
losing, not loosing *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:22:51 PM 495 Views
Re: Smiles.... - 29/01/2010 09:03:48 PM 748 Views
LOL It only "takes away" mental enslavement. - 27/01/2010 07:50:56 PM 801 Views
Who says? - 27/01/2010 09:42:07 PM 795 Views
You're not "open" to anything. - 27/01/2010 10:02:03 PM 930 Views
I don't need your sadness dude...or your pity. - 27/01/2010 10:19:43 PM 808 Views
Personally speaking - 27/01/2010 10:36:45 PM 841 Views
Although off topic that's exactly how I see it too. *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:43:49 PM 489 Views
But notice your perspective Brian... - 27/01/2010 11:08:52 PM 919 Views
Your argument assumes in the existance of the Christian God. - 27/01/2010 11:28:16 PM 785 Views
Because we're His children - 28/01/2010 01:08:20 AM 811 Views
My perspective as someone who is for the most part an Atheist? - 28/01/2010 01:13:02 AM 725 Views
You have a very odd and self-serving notion of what "open" is. - 28/01/2010 12:12:06 AM 4153 Views
Tolerance much? - 27/01/2010 08:11:12 PM 850 Views
I took care of that. - 27/01/2010 08:33:18 PM 846 Views
Don't read an emotion into that I didn't put into it. - 27/01/2010 09:44:37 PM 649 Views
Oh, well there are examples. Google those ads I mentioned - 27/01/2010 11:24:10 PM 652 Views
all athesim means is not believing in deities 9_9 - 27/01/2010 11:30:37 PM 649 Views
Fortunately, positivity doesn't appear to be the qualifying characteristic - 27/01/2010 08:26:28 PM 749 Views
Well there is a difference between... - 27/01/2010 09:47:36 PM 947 Views
The fact is that it was a positive message, whether you agreed with it or not. - 27/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 811 Views
Says the Protestant. - 27/01/2010 11:22:05 PM 805 Views
What is the UCC? *NM* - 29/01/2010 02:59:07 AM 513 Views
United Church of Christ - 29/01/2010 02:24:11 PM 700 Views
I don't think it is the same thing - 27/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 663 Views
I wasn't making an argument- just that it'd be interesting - 27/01/2010 08:11:57 PM 647 Views
that I can agree with - 27/01/2010 08:27:30 PM 747 Views
Re: I think that its a fantastic idea... - 28/01/2010 03:36:11 AM 763 Views
Hey whatever they want to pay for - 27/01/2010 05:52:11 PM 842 Views
Hahahaha... I couldn't care less, but this line cracked me up - 27/01/2010 06:19:37 PM 855 Views
wow...I didn't even think of that... - 27/01/2010 06:39:04 PM 791 Views
Heh. *NM* - 28/01/2010 10:43:43 PM 490 Views
I think they need to treat all sides the same - 27/01/2010 06:49:47 PM 788 Views
agreed *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:15:48 PM 499 Views
this. *NM* - 28/01/2010 01:33:01 AM 443 Views
whether you agree with Tebow or not... - 27/01/2010 06:51:58 PM 816 Views
I don't think there'd be a problem if it wasn't the Super Bowl - 27/01/2010 07:35:18 PM 763 Views
The problem is the hyprocrisy of CBS. - 27/01/2010 07:56:58 PM 899 Views
Bingo. - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 665 Views
And they claim this is the result of you liberal types pissing and moaning. - 27/01/2010 08:40:57 PM 749 Views
Yeah, I'm sure that's it. - 27/01/2010 08:44:26 PM 648 Views
"the buggery agenda" - 27/01/2010 08:47:28 PM 784 Views
I know, I loved it! I might start using that instead of Fagenda. *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:03:53 PM 513 Views
You might need to rework titles too. "Most Buggered", "Her Buggerness" - 27/01/2010 09:06:44 PM 920 Views
this commercial is only a big deal to those - 27/01/2010 07:59:27 PM 849 Views
I really, really hope a pro-choice group buys the next ad space - 27/01/2010 08:09:16 PM 891 Views
Replace Hitler with Ben Affleck and I'd help pay for it. - 27/01/2010 08:12:25 PM 662 Views
that's funny enough it'd pay for itself - 27/01/2010 08:13:31 PM 757 Views
But how would you folks argue on the internet then? I'd still have Stalin... *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:49:17 PM 472 Views
I'm sure people could think of something *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:00:23 PM 367 Views
LMAO! that would be awesome *NM* - 28/01/2010 12:02:25 AM 518 Views
The funny thing is - 27/01/2010 08:28:22 PM 964 Views
Oh no you di'in't! - 27/01/2010 08:54:47 PM 574 Views
I had a similar thought... - 27/01/2010 10:17:15 PM 772 Views
*NM* - 28/01/2010 01:12:46 AM 450 Views
*brain explodes* - 27/01/2010 08:30:51 PM 671 Views
are your sinuses clear now? *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:54:18 PM 461 Views
Oddly enough, they aren't. - 27/01/2010 08:59:27 PM 824 Views
thats what you get for living in the hill country - 27/01/2010 09:10:09 PM 743 Views
Not my idea, and I'm working on it. - 28/01/2010 12:36:17 AM 773 Views
the super bowl is no place for political messages, no matter how thinly veiled. - 28/01/2010 05:15:13 AM 676 Views
Are you saying that CBS should be required to run an opposing ad? *NM* - 28/01/2010 05:19:39 AM 446 Views
if they are going to approve a political message, they should be required to air the opposite view - 28/01/2010 05:27:33 AM 664 Views
I'm pretty strongly pro-choice and even I find that silly. *NM* - 28/01/2010 06:55:37 AM 505 Views
What kind of ad would they run in response? - 28/01/2010 11:50:10 PM 806 Views
more like.... - 29/01/2010 03:20:24 AM 916 Views
The problem with Pro-Choice is... - 28/01/2010 02:12:13 PM 777 Views
Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 02:44:21 PM 766 Views
Re: Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 03:27:03 PM 870 Views
I can't see Youtube at work and am out the next couple of nights so I can't see it till the weekend - 28/01/2010 03:36:48 PM 651 Views
I know you were going to tell me that it was slanted... - 28/01/2010 03:57:37 PM 805 Views
That is unfair on me - 28/01/2010 04:18:07 PM 788 Views
Sorry...wasn't trying to be unfair.... - 28/01/2010 04:34:18 PM 849 Views
Apology accepted - 28/01/2010 04:52:39 PM 637 Views
...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 03:46:25 PM 662 Views
Re: ...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 04:03:46 PM 769 Views
An unfortunate choice of words.... - 28/01/2010 07:00:18 PM 657 Views
I don't think it's so much a matter of supplying misleading information, - 28/01/2010 11:07:24 PM 744 Views
Ah, - 29/01/2010 02:51:22 PM 766 Views
No. - 29/01/2010 06:10:47 PM 849 Views

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