Seems it's just me, Brooking and Bradshaw on this one.
Joel Send a noteboard - 20/01/2010 09:28:03 AM
The first two don't bother me, but the last one bothers me on many levels....
They were getting a big win regardless. They put three TDs and a couple FGs on a team that only managed one of the latter; adding another TD didn't turn a tight game into a blowout (the third TD did that. )
That's actually a pretty good point, but I don't think it's enough by itself. For one thing, it ignores the fact that the TD pass is about the last possibility the D is going to play for short of a punt; you can't really say they finally overcame that stiff Cowboys D in the red zone because they weren't really playing it anymore. They did something so outlandish Childress would never consider it for a moment in any game they still thought they could lose, and a play you only call when the game is won, by definition, isn't going to help them win games later. They might face 4th and 3 at the NO 11 down by 4 late next weekend, but if they do you can bet your sweet bippy the Saints will be looking for the pass, just as certainly as the Cowboys WEREN'T last weekend.
Which really just boils down to who started it, because then it's a case of "Dallas treated them disrespectfully and Minnesota returned the favor. " I got no sleep that day, but I did try about 11AM, so out of it I somehow had Central Time an hour AHEAD of Eastern rather than behind, so I didn't see that, and I can only comment on what I saw.
And this game did zilch to mitigate any of that. Next time Dallas has 4th down in the red zone against a badly beaten Vikings playoff team, what do you think is going to happen...?
There I'll have to take your word; when I was in HS the team never needed a 5'9" 130 lbs... well, anything. I like to think I have pretty good hands, but I've always been too slow to play WR and too small to play TE (in a pickup game I can get in the way and provide a second or two, but any trained athlete is just going to run me over. ) It always seemed to me that if the game is OVER the best thing for both teams is to get the hell off the field before someone breaks a leg, but I've always had the view from the stands.
As long as no one gets hurt.
Well, I can hardly dispute the validity of your feelings as your feelings, but as much as I love football, if I'd been on that Cumberland team that got beat 222-0 I think I'd look for a new way to spend my free time (but then, the team had been disbanded the previous year and the only reason the game was played was because Heisman was mad and refused to let them out of the contract to play the game without assessing a very expensive default penalty. ) Reasonable men can differ, and it does seem I'm in the clear minority here.
Yes, yes, I'm a Vikings fan, but that isn't what is coloring my opinion here. This is playoff football. You either play hard the whole game or you shouldn't be there. More specifically:
1. Winning in the playoffs is as much about confidence as skill, as all the teams there are more or less very skilled. A big win before kicking off on the road, a place where the Vikings haven't been good recently, will help get confidence as high as possible.
1. Winning in the playoffs is as much about confidence as skill, as all the teams there are more or less very skilled. A big win before kicking off on the road, a place where the Vikings haven't been good recently, will help get confidence as high as possible.
They were getting a big win regardless. They put three TDs and a couple FGs on a team that only managed one of the latter; adding another TD didn't turn a tight game into a blowout (the third TD did that. )
2. The Vikings had difficulty scoring in the red zone against a very good Cowboys red zone defense. The final touchdown not only got the ball into Shaincoe's, a very important part of the offense, hands for the first time during the game, but gave the Vikings some success on a short field.
That's actually a pretty good point, but I don't think it's enough by itself. For one thing, it ignores the fact that the TD pass is about the last possibility the D is going to play for short of a punt; you can't really say they finally overcame that stiff Cowboys D in the red zone because they weren't really playing it anymore. They did something so outlandish Childress would never consider it for a moment in any game they still thought they could lose, and a play you only call when the game is won, by definition, isn't going to help them win games later. They might face 4th and 3 at the NO 11 down by 4 late next weekend, but if they do you can bet your sweet bippy the Saints will be looking for the pass, just as certainly as the Cowboys WEREN'T last weekend.
3. The Cowboys spent a large portion of pre-game flexing their muscles, pointing at the stars on their helmets, and generally taunting the fans. The Vikings answered on the field.
Which really just boils down to who started it, because then it's a case of "Dallas treated them disrespectfully and Minnesota returned the favor. " I got no sleep that day, but I did try about 11AM, so out of it I somehow had Central Time an hour AHEAD of Eastern rather than behind, so I didn't see that, and I can only comment on what I saw.
4. This was an old, classic playoff rivalry, with bad blood, and the occasional lop-sided blowout in the past.
And this game did zilch to mitigate any of that. Next time Dallas has 4th down in the red zone against a badly beaten Vikings playoff team, what do you think is going to happen...?
5. Playing out the clock leaves a bad taste in an offenses mouth. You always want to close out a game strong.
There I'll have to take your word; when I was in HS the team never needed a 5'9" 130 lbs... well, anything. I like to think I have pretty good hands, but I've always been too slow to play WR and too small to play TE (in a pickup game I can get in the way and provide a second or two, but any trained athlete is just going to run me over. ) It always seemed to me that if the game is OVER the best thing for both teams is to get the hell off the field before someone breaks a leg, but I've always had the view from the stands.
Playing in the playoffs is about two things. Winning the game that you are playing, and setting yourself up with the best chance to win the next game. Health, confidence, momentum. The Vikings are going on the road to play against an explosive team, the number 1 team in the NFC. They did what they needed to do to set up the team in the best position as possible.
As long as no one gets hurt.
Besides, having played football, and many other sports, nothing is as humiliating as the other team sitting back to take it 'easy' on you. I'd much rather the other team have enough respect for me and the sport to keep giving it their all.
Well, I can hardly dispute the validity of your feelings as your feelings, but as much as I love football, if I'd been on that Cumberland team that got beat 222-0 I think I'd look for a new way to spend my free time (but then, the team had been disbanded the previous year and the only reason the game was played was because Heisman was mad and refused to let them out of the contract to play the game without assessing a very expensive default penalty. ) Reasonable men can differ, and it does seem I'm in the clear minority here.
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This message last edited by Joel on 20/01/2010 at 09:31:28 AM
For the Record, I Think Terry Was Right, not Jimmy.
18/01/2010 12:52:27 AM
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There is no running up the score in pro sports.
18/01/2010 01:24:24 AM
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Sure there is.
18/01/2010 01:59:16 AM
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I find it difficult to feel bad for a team of millionaires...
18/01/2010 01:52:57 AM
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It's less that I feel bad for the Cowboys (and more their fans) than I'm disappointed in the Vikes
18/01/2010 02:56:11 AM
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Wade Phillips should be thanking his lucky stars that the Redskins were so bad this year....
18/01/2010 04:57:32 AM
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It was stupid but they have the right to score if they want
18/01/2010 02:24:39 AM
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Less time than I remembered, underscoring the point.
18/01/2010 02:32:00 AM
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Naw I hope the Saints kick the snot out of them
18/01/2010 03:54:55 AM
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Favre got his ass kicking in '97; I just wish I had it on tape.
18/01/2010 04:38:54 AM
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two reasons you are wrong
18/01/2010 06:02:40 AM
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So it's OK to humiliate a good team, just not a horrible one?
18/01/2010 06:34:24 AM
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eh?
18/01/2010 07:11:25 AM
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The Catch didn't make up 32 points, and The Comeback took more than the two minute warning.
18/01/2010 08:12:54 AM
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um, not to put words in your mouth, but....
18/01/2010 03:48:55 PM
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If you think they're still in it, ice it with the FG; if you don't, kneel down and go home.
18/01/2010 05:48:19 PM
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Hey, if a team can run up the score against you, you shouldn't be in the playoffs.
18/01/2010 01:32:30 PM
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great argument to bad it is based more on your emtions then reality
18/01/2010 02:09:13 PM
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pot meet kettle... *NM*
18/01/2010 04:05:47 PM
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hello kettle
18/01/2010 04:19:49 PM
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the problem being that you're criticizing someone for being emotional while doing the same
18/01/2010 04:42:09 PM
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speaking of sandy vaginas
18/01/2010 05:43:04 PM
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that was so incomprehensible i'm not sure how to respond....
18/01/2010 11:19:38 PM
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To be fair, some, though not all, of Dallas' critics take unconcealed glee in their misfortunes.
19/01/2010 12:49:35 AM
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I have no problem with the critisim
20/01/2010 06:56:38 PM
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When I'm criticizing Romo I'm really criticizing Jerry.
20/01/2010 11:51:50 PM
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For all of the boot Wade talk most people forget he is one of winning coaches in NFL
21/01/2010 05:10:50 AM
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His playoff record is wretched though, so every time he loses a playoff game someone will mention it
21/01/2010 02:10:58 PM
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You must think Barry Switzer is one the greatest coaches of all time then he is 5 of 7 post season
21/01/2010 04:28:29 PM
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Barry wasn't an NFL head coach, he was a placeholding yes man.
22/01/2010 06:56:43 AM
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No sorry either a coach is responsible for his teams record or he isn't
22/01/2010 04:39:09 PM
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I was saying stop winning because I call people out for stupid hate post
20/01/2010 02:38:46 PM
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Re: great argument to bad it is based more on your emtions then reality
18/01/2010 04:43:23 PM
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Re: great argument to bad it is based more on your emtions then reality
18/01/2010 06:57:47 PM
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They were within their rights, just as the Saints would be to do it to them.
18/01/2010 05:57:01 PM
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Re: They were within their rights, just as the Saints would be to do it to them.
18/01/2010 06:56:15 PM
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Re: Hey, if a team can run up the score against you, you shouldn't be in the playoffs.
18/01/2010 06:50:06 PM
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Re: Hey, if a team can run up the score against you, you shouldn't be in the playoffs.
18/01/2010 07:00:18 PM
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I had no problem with it.
19/01/2010 05:32:19 PM
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Seems it's just me, Brooking and Bradshaw on this one.
20/01/2010 09:28:03 AM
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What should happen...
20/01/2010 05:24:45 PM
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Wasn't Childress trying to bench Favre to protect him at the end fo the season...?
21/01/2010 02:20:30 AM
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Your glass are a little rose colored when you look at the Landry years
21/01/2010 03:16:48 PM
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Schramm marketed the hell out of them, yes, but Landry and the players made it credible.
22/01/2010 04:55:01 AM
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I think you confuse the press with the team
20/01/2010 02:55:53 PM
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It's not about "Can" or "Having the Right" or whether or not the Cowboys "should" stop them...
20/01/2010 04:43:36 PM
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"Character is who you are in the dark. "
20/01/2010 11:13:28 PM
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