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Maybe they should. Joel Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 09:47:11 PM
Healthcare may be a long term economic issue but we have some serious short term economic issues that should have gotten attention first. Instead of making fixing the economy top priority they decided to try and push through a ton of liberal wish list stuff.

If they had been smart they would have focused the first year on economy and ignored the social issues for now, which is what this healthcare bill really is since it designed to give healthcare to the uninsured instead of actually reforming the system. A strong economic push would have given them the momentum and built the trust they needed to push their big social programs. Instead of banking reform and programs to spur the economy we got pork spending disguised as stimulus. Instead of post partisan we got blame Bush, attack Fox and ridicule the tea party protesters. Instead of fresh start on foreign policy we get snubs to England, capitulations to Russia and bowing to petty princes. No Obama wasted his chance and the vote in Mass for a republican is a vote against far left single party politics.

The Not So New Left, for example, needs to ask itself whether declaring victory is really more important than actually WINNING something; Obama may be able to say healthcare wasn't his "Waterloo" (it takes two to be bipartisan, y'know... ) but in terms of advancing liberal policy he hasn't done squat. And I can pretty much bet without that sentiment in "taxachusetts" both the healthcare bill and the Dem Senate candidate would be polling much higher than anything the Republicans are suggesting (what exactly ARE they suggesting, other than not doing what any of the Dems want?) This is a Fox story, which is why I saw it there on the way out the door this morning, with the on the scene reporter telling us how ironic it is that the healthcare bill is hurting Dems in MA "which has nearly universal healthcare. " I'm sure Romney appreciates the plug, but last I heard it wasn't working out that way (which is why the US doesn't need Romneycare, not even from Obama. )

But don't kid yourself: The cost of healthcare is a short term, CURRENT, economic problem; it's just dwarfed by the economic CRISIS looming between 2020 and 2030 if we allow healthcare costs to keep doubling every decade. Frankly, I don't get it; Americans pay more money for less care than Europeans but feel sorry for THEM. It takes a special kind of "out of touch" to watch a dozen countries surpass our standard of living then warn the rest of us we don't want to do what they did and suffer the same "disaster. " The number of insured Americans is going down, not up, due to cost, and employers are scaling back coverage as they get priced out of the market. We're rapidly reaching a point where a government printing imaginary money will be the only one who CAN afford insurance. Except all the new Medicare enrollees in 2020 will bankrupt that, too (and apparently some Dems thought the "solution" to that was to enroll them NOW. :rolleyes: )

Sometimes when I survey the American political landscape I feel like Diogenes, except I've given up looking for an honest man and now desperately search for a thinking man.
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Could the Dems really lose in Mass - Kennedy's seat? - 18/01/2010 03:19:29 PM 584 Views
to quote yogi berra: it ain't over till it's over - 18/01/2010 04:10:26 PM 168 Views
Oh, if Brown wins, I'm sure he will be out next election..... - 18/01/2010 04:28:05 PM 167 Views
it works both ways you know - 18/01/2010 04:37:40 PM 179 Views
I disagree... - 20/01/2010 04:11:15 AM 199 Views
Even if he loses and it is close I think it will scare a lot of democrats - 18/01/2010 04:15:03 PM 178 Views
You may be right on that last bit, unfortunately... *NM* - 18/01/2010 04:18:37 PM 80 Views
Agreed - blunder of epic proportions! *NM* - 18/01/2010 04:30:18 PM 78 Views
If we don't get a handle on healthcare it will destroy the economy. - 18/01/2010 06:01:18 PM 169 Views
It makes people question their priorities - 18/01/2010 08:17:16 PM 239 Views
Maybe they should. - 18/01/2010 09:47:11 PM 196 Views
You act like America is a collective - 18/01/2010 10:16:39 PM 254 Views
Is it? What are the Republicans offering for the non-insured? - 18/01/2010 10:20:42 PM 156 Views
Tort reform - 18/01/2010 10:33:01 PM 155 Views
purchase insurance across state lines - 18/01/2010 10:44:54 PM 156 Views
the dems don't see insurance companies as the enemy either - 18/01/2010 11:09:24 PM 155 Views
Exactly. - 19/01/2010 02:09:49 AM 260 Views
that simply proves they are inept - 19/01/2010 01:45:33 PM 153 Views
Of course they did nothing for the 6 years they controlled Congress. - 19/01/2010 12:39:44 AM 162 Views
That isn't true, my mother-in-law can now afford to buy her medicine - 19/01/2010 01:57:28 PM 235 Views
Curious about the last part. - 20/01/2010 12:05:40 AM 245 Views
There are some basic flaws in your argument - 20/01/2010 03:18:58 PM 154 Views
America, like all groups of people, IS a collective, however diverse. - 19/01/2010 02:02:24 AM 287 Views
but it doesn't think like a collective - 20/01/2010 03:25:29 PM 147 Views
Yes, I realize human beings are selfish; that's something to overcome, not embrace. - 20/01/2010 06:21:33 PM 140 Views
Human nature can not be overcome it can only be redirected - 20/01/2010 07:03:46 PM 154 Views
That's a bigger debate than politics. - 20/01/2010 10:42:02 PM 263 Views
I know who I'm voting for! - 18/01/2010 04:26:29 PM 199 Views
I'm starting to think..... - 18/01/2010 04:33:23 PM 180 Views
Certainly, he wouldn't stand a chance without protest votes. *NM* - 18/01/2010 04:45:37 PM 85 Views
That whole "filibuster-proof" concept was a lot more valid... - 18/01/2010 04:44:51 PM 194 Views
I have seen this argument elsewhere and I am not sure it makes sense - 18/01/2010 05:28:57 PM 235 Views
It does not make sense if it's used in a partisan way, that's true. - 18/01/2010 05:43:10 PM 263 Views
I think the fillibuster is with in the spirit and the law on the constitution - 18/01/2010 06:03:55 PM 237 Views
Fair enough. - 18/01/2010 10:00:16 PM 163 Views
Any argument made by Dowd is suspect from the start - 18/01/2010 10:39:28 PM 194 Views
They should keep making them actually filibuster, yes. - 18/01/2010 10:09:01 PM 329 Views
Fight the good fight, my man...er...dog! - 18/01/2010 05:48:08 PM 160 Views

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