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Re: That's utter nonsense. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 04:41:27 AM
It forces them to treat same-sex unions as existent, just like heterosexual marriages, and that's it.
And how is that different from what I described? Since they do not actually exist, a law like this forces people to grant privileges to a novelty institution.

Many of the devout religious view any "civil" marriage, i.e. a union that was not sanctified by a church, as illegitimate, but that's their religious preference and not something they get to legislate via the government.
So? That's a normal & commonly accepted practice. Same-sex marriage is both pointless and groundless. It has no history of long use or genuine place in society. It is a special privilege invented for the benefit of the few, and attempts to legally ratify it are attempts to force every one to conform to their view. It is no different than attempting to govern according to the Bible.

Also, your attempt to justify governing with religious preference through free-market rhetoric is just pathetic.
Your utter lack of any answer to that is worse. What religious preference was I suggesting? I am one of those people who view civil marriage as irrelevant and meaningless. I am not attempting to impose my views on anyone. If people want to claim they are married because they have a piece of paper, that is fine with me. On the other hand, same-sex marriage legislation would force other people to accept their position. THEY are the ones governing with their preference.

You have no real principle to back your position, it is simply your ox that is being gored, so that determines what side you are one.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
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I may have lost a friend over same sex marriage - 17/01/2010 08:03:26 AM 1527 Views
the problem with your friend is the "southern evangelical christian" part - 17/01/2010 09:07:02 AM 840 Views
They believe gay marriage is ongoing unrepentant sin. - 17/01/2010 12:04:58 PM 833 Views
God your a moron. - 17/01/2010 09:10:17 PM 786 Views
be nice - 18/01/2010 06:26:58 AM 694 Views
<shrug> They can believe that all that they like - 18/01/2010 08:07:28 PM 740 Views
And live accordingly. Just like everyone else. - 18/01/2010 11:10:51 PM 753 Views
Re: And live accordingly. Just like everyone else. - 20/01/2010 10:40:36 PM 700 Views
It is, I believe, hardest for the intelligent educated man. - 21/01/2010 10:29:39 AM 856 Views
You can't use logic in an irrational argument. - 17/01/2010 10:12:11 AM 733 Views
LOL... *NM* - 18/01/2010 05:21:14 AM 397 Views
You and Adam are being equally unconstructive. - 18/01/2010 06:21:45 AM 652 Views
why do you imply "constructive" is in anyway the intent? *NM* - 18/01/2010 06:32:27 AM 315 Views
*shrug* I never stopped believing in lost causes? - 18/01/2010 07:36:04 AM 653 Views
Re: You can't use logic in an irrational argument. - 18/01/2010 06:28:41 AM 785 Views
Always welcome. - 18/01/2010 07:31:27 AM 893 Views
We finally converted you - 17/01/2010 08:43:25 PM 674 Views
Not much of a friend then. Good ridance to bad friends. *NM* - 17/01/2010 08:51:02 PM 458 Views
I agree. A friend who can't respect differences of opinion is no friend at all. *NM* - 17/01/2010 09:11:33 PM 322 Views
seriously. *NM* - 17/01/2010 10:46:17 PM 275 Views
Only because such sentiment is my pet peeve...condemning exclusivity is hypocritical. *NM* - 19/01/2010 12:37:37 AM 348 Views
yeah no kidding - 18/01/2010 06:30:45 AM 656 Views
It forces other people to accept THEIR ideology that same sex unions are legitimate. - 18/01/2010 01:49:20 AM 832 Views
I would assume, then, that you don't support any government-mandated health care? - 18/01/2010 02:07:40 AM 653 Views
Correct - 18/01/2010 04:29:04 AM 736 Views
Although I disagree with the vast majority of your arguments, - 18/01/2010 08:50:09 AM 725 Views
Thank you. - 20/01/2010 01:47:34 AM 887 Views
Please tell me you have a source for that quotation. Other than me. - 21/01/2010 12:31:27 PM 745 Views
It's GK Chesterton! What the hell are you going on about? - 27/01/2010 02:41:00 AM 623 Views
Link? - 27/01/2010 09:28:22 AM 718 Views
I can't find a link to the exact quote - 27/01/2010 12:14:19 PM 829 Views
Re: Link? - 27/01/2010 01:38:36 PM 851 Views
Perhaps we should define our terms more precisely. - 15/02/2010 11:28:09 AM 1223 Views
we do not exist in a free market. - 18/01/2010 04:09:37 AM 664 Views
And that's bad. Since when has the correct response to oppression been "accept further oppression"? *NM* - 18/01/2010 04:30:44 AM 322 Views
I am simply pointing out your arguments do not apply to the present economic environment. - 18/01/2010 04:46:04 AM 609 Views
No I am not. - 19/01/2010 10:44:31 PM 740 Views
That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 04:19:57 AM 688 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 04:41:27 AM 713 Views
civil marriages DO have a purpose. - 18/01/2010 04:49:12 AM 686 Views
Re: civil marriages DO have a purpose. - 19/01/2010 10:47:18 PM 748 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 07:13:54 AM 690 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 19/01/2010 10:59:45 PM 660 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 07:15:50 AM 798 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 20/01/2010 01:38:37 AM 583 Views
Are you at all surprised? - 18/01/2010 07:59:30 AM 679 Views
A truly free country means I don't have the freedom to shoot you - 18/01/2010 05:57:44 AM 777 Views
You really said nothing, right there. - 18/01/2010 08:34:33 AM 728 Views
I presume you are equally against the current set up - 18/01/2010 12:31:33 PM 765 Views
He said as much in his response to me above. *NM* - 18/01/2010 09:37:49 PM 262 Views
That's such an amusing argument - 18/01/2010 08:17:15 PM 646 Views
I'm against people with pasta based nicknames on fantasy forums *NM* - 19/01/2010 03:03:31 PM 283 Views
cannoli is a pastry *NM* - 19/01/2010 07:25:04 PM 257 Views
I have no problem with people with pastry based names, just pasta - 21/01/2010 12:28:44 AM 621 Views
I can't help but find it funny - 18/01/2010 12:51:57 PM 631 Views
So... - 18/01/2010 03:39:33 PM 782 Views
I think you missed who was the one to walk out - 18/01/2010 04:11:05 PM 653 Views
you acept your friends with their warts or you don't - 18/01/2010 06:45:13 PM 760 Views
I think you missed who was the one to walk out *NM* - 18/01/2010 08:01:25 PM 242 Views
I don't think it was that clear - 18/01/2010 10:01:32 PM 698 Views
I don't think it is all that clear yet, either - 18/01/2010 10:27:54 PM 715 Views
I wasn't taking sides - 18/01/2010 10:57:39 PM 593 Views

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