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Not much of a friend then. Good ridance to bad friends. *NM* Urza Send a noteboard - 17/01/2010 08:51:02 PM
I have a friend, she is an older lady, very southern evangelical Christian. She has very firm beliefs that she is not afraid to proclaim out loud. She once told me that she believes I should turn to Christ if I want to save my soul, and that I wont go to heaven in her eyes even if I am a nice person because I dont except Jesus as my savior and what not. Thats fine. Every religion pretty much believes everyone else is going to hell so its all good.

About 2 years ago I moved from TX to the East coast and I have come across more gay people and more "liberal minded" folks and i have come to want gay marriage to be as legal as straight marriage. I am a Muslim and my religion just like Christianity and Judaism says that homosexuality is an abomination and a sin...
I really dont care if people are gay, this is America. I cant force my religious views on the 300 million people in this country and I dont except them to force their views on me.

If a church says they will never allow gay marriages to be officiated by their clergy, more power to them, If another Church says they will perform gay marriages, then good for them, I could care less.

But If i go to city hall and get a marriage license to marry a man and then divorce him and marry 50 more men one at a time after divorcing the previous husband, why cant a gay man go to city hall anywhere in America and just marry another guy. It is a piece of paper. A marriage license/contract is a piece of paper that has power behind it only because the government in the past has decided this piece of paper means such and such.

Not allowing gay marriage is basically shoving a certain religion or ideology down our throats. If being a himosexual and having homosexual sex, and living in the same house with your homosexual partner like any other married couple is not ILLEGAL then why cant we legalize gay marriage. Its a piece of fu@king paper.

My friend was arguing that if she supports gay marriage and if the government passes a federal law for gay marriage, then the govt is condoning and spreading homosexuality and saying it is ok to be gay. I pointed out that not allowing gay marriage will not stop people from being gay! And once again, the govt never said its not ok to be gay, because homosexuality is not illegal! When you say you are against gay marriege you are against a piece of paper that is filed away in city hall that says you are married. I had a court marriage and I had a religious marriage in a mosque. I didnt consider myself married till I had the religious ceremony, the city hall marriage to me is just another piece of paper. Ihave a gay friend who is a very devout Christian, this guy doesnt miss a sunday service, he goes to a church that accepts gays, so If california would legalize gay marriage he could go get his little court room marriage and then have a wedding at his church if eh wanted and that is his business, not mine or anyone elses.

So why cant 2 men go to city hall and get married? I dont know, and I dont think I will even understand why people are sooo goddamn against it.

So yeah my friend walked away from our conversation when she couldnt get me to renounce what I said and she thinks I have been brainwashes by democrats and liberals in CT.
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I may have lost a friend over same sex marriage - 17/01/2010 08:03:26 AM 1371 Views
the problem with your friend is the "southern evangelical christian" part - 17/01/2010 09:07:02 AM 679 Views
They believe gay marriage is ongoing unrepentant sin. - 17/01/2010 12:04:58 PM 689 Views
God your a moron. - 17/01/2010 09:10:17 PM 631 Views
be nice - 18/01/2010 06:26:58 AM 542 Views
<shrug> They can believe that all that they like - 18/01/2010 08:07:28 PM 597 Views
And live accordingly. Just like everyone else. - 18/01/2010 11:10:51 PM 604 Views
Re: And live accordingly. Just like everyone else. - 20/01/2010 10:40:36 PM 556 Views
It is, I believe, hardest for the intelligent educated man. - 21/01/2010 10:29:39 AM 688 Views
You can't use logic in an irrational argument. - 17/01/2010 10:12:11 AM 582 Views
LOL... *NM* - 18/01/2010 05:21:14 AM 326 Views
You and Adam are being equally unconstructive. - 18/01/2010 06:21:45 AM 509 Views
why do you imply "constructive" is in anyway the intent? *NM* - 18/01/2010 06:32:27 AM 247 Views
*shrug* I never stopped believing in lost causes? - 18/01/2010 07:36:04 AM 498 Views
Re: You can't use logic in an irrational argument. - 18/01/2010 06:28:41 AM 637 Views
Always welcome. - 18/01/2010 07:31:27 AM 732 Views
We finally converted you - 17/01/2010 08:43:25 PM 518 Views
Not much of a friend then. Good ridance to bad friends. *NM* - 17/01/2010 08:51:02 PM 397 Views
I agree. A friend who can't respect differences of opinion is no friend at all. *NM* - 17/01/2010 09:11:33 PM 256 Views
seriously. *NM* - 17/01/2010 10:46:17 PM 216 Views
Only because such sentiment is my pet peeve...condemning exclusivity is hypocritical. *NM* - 19/01/2010 12:37:37 AM 287 Views
yeah no kidding - 18/01/2010 06:30:45 AM 508 Views
It forces other people to accept THEIR ideology that same sex unions are legitimate. - 18/01/2010 01:49:20 AM 671 Views
I would assume, then, that you don't support any government-mandated health care? - 18/01/2010 02:07:40 AM 508 Views
Correct - 18/01/2010 04:29:04 AM 591 Views
Although I disagree with the vast majority of your arguments, - 18/01/2010 08:50:09 AM 585 Views
Thank you. - 20/01/2010 01:47:34 AM 735 Views
Please tell me you have a source for that quotation. Other than me. - 21/01/2010 12:31:27 PM 594 Views
It's GK Chesterton! What the hell are you going on about? - 27/01/2010 02:41:00 AM 476 Views
Link? - 27/01/2010 09:28:22 AM 565 Views
I can't find a link to the exact quote - 27/01/2010 12:14:19 PM 681 Views
Re: Link? - 27/01/2010 01:38:36 PM 699 Views
Perhaps we should define our terms more precisely. - 15/02/2010 11:28:09 AM 1061 Views
we do not exist in a free market. - 18/01/2010 04:09:37 AM 512 Views
And that's bad. Since when has the correct response to oppression been "accept further oppression"? *NM* - 18/01/2010 04:30:44 AM 264 Views
I am simply pointing out your arguments do not apply to the present economic environment. - 18/01/2010 04:46:04 AM 468 Views
No I am not. - 19/01/2010 10:44:31 PM 592 Views
That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 04:19:57 AM 548 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 04:41:27 AM 566 Views
civil marriages DO have a purpose. - 18/01/2010 04:49:12 AM 546 Views
Re: civil marriages DO have a purpose. - 19/01/2010 10:47:18 PM 603 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 07:13:54 AM 547 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 19/01/2010 10:59:45 PM 521 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 07:15:50 AM 627 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 20/01/2010 01:38:37 AM 432 Views
Are you at all surprised? - 18/01/2010 07:59:30 AM 541 Views
A truly free country means I don't have the freedom to shoot you - 18/01/2010 05:57:44 AM 624 Views
You really said nothing, right there. - 18/01/2010 08:34:33 AM 580 Views
I presume you are equally against the current set up - 18/01/2010 12:31:33 PM 620 Views
He said as much in his response to me above. *NM* - 18/01/2010 09:37:49 PM 212 Views
That's such an amusing argument - 18/01/2010 08:17:15 PM 508 Views
I'm against people with pasta based nicknames on fantasy forums *NM* - 19/01/2010 03:03:31 PM 222 Views
cannoli is a pastry *NM* - 19/01/2010 07:25:04 PM 203 Views
I have no problem with people with pastry based names, just pasta - 21/01/2010 12:28:44 AM 463 Views
I can't help but find it funny - 18/01/2010 12:51:57 PM 482 Views
So... - 18/01/2010 03:39:33 PM 612 Views
I think you missed who was the one to walk out - 18/01/2010 04:11:05 PM 505 Views
you acept your friends with their warts or you don't - 18/01/2010 06:45:13 PM 617 Views
I think you missed who was the one to walk out *NM* - 18/01/2010 08:01:25 PM 194 Views
I don't think it was that clear - 18/01/2010 10:01:32 PM 529 Views
I don't think it is all that clear yet, either - 18/01/2010 10:27:54 PM 572 Views
I wasn't taking sides - 18/01/2010 10:57:39 PM 444 Views

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