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the problem with your friend is the "southern evangelical christian" part moondog Send a noteboard - 17/01/2010 09:07:02 AM
She once told me that she believes I should turn to Christ if I want to save my soul, and that I wont go to heaven in her eyes even if I am a nice person because I dont except Jesus as my savior and what not.


i knew a born-again baptist (probably holding the same beliefs as your friend) who told me the exact same thing. that it doesn't matter if you live your life according to the teachings of jesus if you never accept jesus as your personal savior blah blah blah. in other words, if you don't believe in jesus, it doesn't matter if you do good in the world or not because you'll automatically go straight to hell whether you believe in the christian afterlife or not :rolleyes:

anyway, i find it interesting that what originally started as a diversionary issue has become such a big civil rights discussion. i have to agree with some of the analysis on the supreme court decision: whether or not the supreme court strikes down the marriage bans at this stage of the game, it will be difficult to get the nation to accept the decision because there is such strong division on the issue.

i don't understand the rationale behind the opposition except that they hate homosexuality for some reason, and legitimizing it by allowing gay marriage is basically shaking their belief structure to the core. i also think that because it's such a strongly divisive issue right now, that the opposition is going to rationalize any fringe issue to deny gay marriage and make it such a scary thing to people who might be on the fence about it....
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I may have lost a friend over same sex marriage - 17/01/2010 08:03:26 AM 1370 Views
the problem with your friend is the "southern evangelical christian" part - 17/01/2010 09:07:02 AM 679 Views
They believe gay marriage is ongoing unrepentant sin. - 17/01/2010 12:04:58 PM 688 Views
God your a moron. - 17/01/2010 09:10:17 PM 631 Views
be nice - 18/01/2010 06:26:58 AM 542 Views
<shrug> They can believe that all that they like - 18/01/2010 08:07:28 PM 596 Views
And live accordingly. Just like everyone else. - 18/01/2010 11:10:51 PM 603 Views
Re: And live accordingly. Just like everyone else. - 20/01/2010 10:40:36 PM 556 Views
It is, I believe, hardest for the intelligent educated man. - 21/01/2010 10:29:39 AM 687 Views
You can't use logic in an irrational argument. - 17/01/2010 10:12:11 AM 581 Views
LOL... *NM* - 18/01/2010 05:21:14 AM 326 Views
You and Adam are being equally unconstructive. - 18/01/2010 06:21:45 AM 509 Views
why do you imply "constructive" is in anyway the intent? *NM* - 18/01/2010 06:32:27 AM 247 Views
*shrug* I never stopped believing in lost causes? - 18/01/2010 07:36:04 AM 498 Views
Re: You can't use logic in an irrational argument. - 18/01/2010 06:28:41 AM 636 Views
Always welcome. - 18/01/2010 07:31:27 AM 731 Views
We finally converted you - 17/01/2010 08:43:25 PM 518 Views
Not much of a friend then. Good ridance to bad friends. *NM* - 17/01/2010 08:51:02 PM 396 Views
I agree. A friend who can't respect differences of opinion is no friend at all. *NM* - 17/01/2010 09:11:33 PM 256 Views
seriously. *NM* - 17/01/2010 10:46:17 PM 216 Views
Only because such sentiment is my pet peeve...condemning exclusivity is hypocritical. *NM* - 19/01/2010 12:37:37 AM 286 Views
yeah no kidding - 18/01/2010 06:30:45 AM 507 Views
It forces other people to accept THEIR ideology that same sex unions are legitimate. - 18/01/2010 01:49:20 AM 671 Views
I would assume, then, that you don't support any government-mandated health care? - 18/01/2010 02:07:40 AM 508 Views
Correct - 18/01/2010 04:29:04 AM 590 Views
Although I disagree with the vast majority of your arguments, - 18/01/2010 08:50:09 AM 584 Views
Thank you. - 20/01/2010 01:47:34 AM 734 Views
Please tell me you have a source for that quotation. Other than me. - 21/01/2010 12:31:27 PM 594 Views
It's GK Chesterton! What the hell are you going on about? - 27/01/2010 02:41:00 AM 475 Views
Link? - 27/01/2010 09:28:22 AM 564 Views
I can't find a link to the exact quote - 27/01/2010 12:14:19 PM 680 Views
Re: Link? - 27/01/2010 01:38:36 PM 698 Views
Perhaps we should define our terms more precisely. - 15/02/2010 11:28:09 AM 1060 Views
we do not exist in a free market. - 18/01/2010 04:09:37 AM 512 Views
And that's bad. Since when has the correct response to oppression been "accept further oppression"? *NM* - 18/01/2010 04:30:44 AM 264 Views
I am simply pointing out your arguments do not apply to the present economic environment. - 18/01/2010 04:46:04 AM 467 Views
No I am not. - 19/01/2010 10:44:31 PM 591 Views
That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 04:19:57 AM 548 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 04:41:27 AM 565 Views
civil marriages DO have a purpose. - 18/01/2010 04:49:12 AM 546 Views
Re: civil marriages DO have a purpose. - 19/01/2010 10:47:18 PM 603 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 07:13:54 AM 547 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 19/01/2010 10:59:45 PM 520 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 07:15:50 AM 626 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 20/01/2010 01:38:37 AM 431 Views
Are you at all surprised? - 18/01/2010 07:59:30 AM 540 Views
A truly free country means I don't have the freedom to shoot you - 18/01/2010 05:57:44 AM 623 Views
You really said nothing, right there. - 18/01/2010 08:34:33 AM 580 Views
I presume you are equally against the current set up - 18/01/2010 12:31:33 PM 620 Views
He said as much in his response to me above. *NM* - 18/01/2010 09:37:49 PM 211 Views
That's such an amusing argument - 18/01/2010 08:17:15 PM 508 Views
I'm against people with pasta based nicknames on fantasy forums *NM* - 19/01/2010 03:03:31 PM 222 Views
cannoli is a pastry *NM* - 19/01/2010 07:25:04 PM 202 Views
I have no problem with people with pastry based names, just pasta - 21/01/2010 12:28:44 AM 462 Views
I can't help but find it funny - 18/01/2010 12:51:57 PM 481 Views
So... - 18/01/2010 03:39:33 PM 610 Views
I think you missed who was the one to walk out - 18/01/2010 04:11:05 PM 505 Views
you acept your friends with their warts or you don't - 18/01/2010 06:45:13 PM 616 Views
I think you missed who was the one to walk out *NM* - 18/01/2010 08:01:25 PM 193 Views
I don't think it was that clear - 18/01/2010 10:01:32 PM 528 Views
I don't think it is all that clear yet, either - 18/01/2010 10:27:54 PM 571 Views
I wasn't taking sides - 18/01/2010 10:57:39 PM 444 Views

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