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the problem with your friend is the "southern evangelical christian" part moondog Send a noteboard - 17/01/2010 09:07:02 AM
She once told me that she believes I should turn to Christ if I want to save my soul, and that I wont go to heaven in her eyes even if I am a nice person because I dont except Jesus as my savior and what not.


i knew a born-again baptist (probably holding the same beliefs as your friend) who told me the exact same thing. that it doesn't matter if you live your life according to the teachings of jesus if you never accept jesus as your personal savior blah blah blah. in other words, if you don't believe in jesus, it doesn't matter if you do good in the world or not because you'll automatically go straight to hell whether you believe in the christian afterlife or not :rolleyes:

anyway, i find it interesting that what originally started as a diversionary issue has become such a big civil rights discussion. i have to agree with some of the analysis on the supreme court decision: whether or not the supreme court strikes down the marriage bans at this stage of the game, it will be difficult to get the nation to accept the decision because there is such strong division on the issue.

i don't understand the rationale behind the opposition except that they hate homosexuality for some reason, and legitimizing it by allowing gay marriage is basically shaking their belief structure to the core. i also think that because it's such a strongly divisive issue right now, that the opposition is going to rationalize any fringe issue to deny gay marriage and make it such a scary thing to people who might be on the fence about it....
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I may have lost a friend over same sex marriage - 17/01/2010 08:03:26 AM 1418 Views
the problem with your friend is the "southern evangelical christian" part - 17/01/2010 09:07:02 AM 728 Views
They believe gay marriage is ongoing unrepentant sin. - 17/01/2010 12:04:58 PM 731 Views
God your a moron. - 17/01/2010 09:10:17 PM 677 Views
be nice - 18/01/2010 06:26:58 AM 583 Views
<shrug> They can believe that all that they like - 18/01/2010 08:07:28 PM 637 Views
And live accordingly. Just like everyone else. - 18/01/2010 11:10:51 PM 644 Views
Re: And live accordingly. Just like everyone else. - 20/01/2010 10:40:36 PM 597 Views
It is, I believe, hardest for the intelligent educated man. - 21/01/2010 10:29:39 AM 728 Views
You can't use logic in an irrational argument. - 17/01/2010 10:12:11 AM 624 Views
LOL... *NM* - 18/01/2010 05:21:14 AM 342 Views
You and Adam are being equally unconstructive. - 18/01/2010 06:21:45 AM 547 Views
why do you imply "constructive" is in anyway the intent? *NM* - 18/01/2010 06:32:27 AM 272 Views
*shrug* I never stopped believing in lost causes? - 18/01/2010 07:36:04 AM 539 Views
Re: You can't use logic in an irrational argument. - 18/01/2010 06:28:41 AM 682 Views
Always welcome. - 18/01/2010 07:31:27 AM 776 Views
We finally converted you - 17/01/2010 08:43:25 PM 561 Views
Not much of a friend then. Good ridance to bad friends. *NM* - 17/01/2010 08:51:02 PM 415 Views
I agree. A friend who can't respect differences of opinion is no friend at all. *NM* - 17/01/2010 09:11:33 PM 274 Views
seriously. *NM* - 17/01/2010 10:46:17 PM 231 Views
Only because such sentiment is my pet peeve...condemning exclusivity is hypocritical. *NM* - 19/01/2010 12:37:37 AM 302 Views
yeah no kidding - 18/01/2010 06:30:45 AM 551 Views
It forces other people to accept THEIR ideology that same sex unions are legitimate. - 18/01/2010 01:49:20 AM 721 Views
I would assume, then, that you don't support any government-mandated health care? - 18/01/2010 02:07:40 AM 544 Views
Correct - 18/01/2010 04:29:04 AM 631 Views
Although I disagree with the vast majority of your arguments, - 18/01/2010 08:50:09 AM 620 Views
Thank you. - 20/01/2010 01:47:34 AM 780 Views
Please tell me you have a source for that quotation. Other than me. - 21/01/2010 12:31:27 PM 637 Views
It's GK Chesterton! What the hell are you going on about? - 27/01/2010 02:41:00 AM 515 Views
Link? - 27/01/2010 09:28:22 AM 604 Views
I can't find a link to the exact quote - 27/01/2010 12:14:19 PM 721 Views
Re: Link? - 27/01/2010 01:38:36 PM 739 Views
Perhaps we should define our terms more precisely. - 15/02/2010 11:28:09 AM 1102 Views
we do not exist in a free market. - 18/01/2010 04:09:37 AM 553 Views
And that's bad. Since when has the correct response to oppression been "accept further oppression"? *NM* - 18/01/2010 04:30:44 AM 281 Views
I am simply pointing out your arguments do not apply to the present economic environment. - 18/01/2010 04:46:04 AM 509 Views
No I am not. - 19/01/2010 10:44:31 PM 632 Views
That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 04:19:57 AM 587 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 04:41:27 AM 608 Views
civil marriages DO have a purpose. - 18/01/2010 04:49:12 AM 583 Views
Re: civil marriages DO have a purpose. - 19/01/2010 10:47:18 PM 639 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 07:13:54 AM 594 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 19/01/2010 10:59:45 PM 552 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 07:15:50 AM 670 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 20/01/2010 01:38:37 AM 471 Views
Are you at all surprised? - 18/01/2010 07:59:30 AM 577 Views
A truly free country means I don't have the freedom to shoot you - 18/01/2010 05:57:44 AM 668 Views
You really said nothing, right there. - 18/01/2010 08:34:33 AM 622 Views
I presume you are equally against the current set up - 18/01/2010 12:31:33 PM 660 Views
He said as much in his response to me above. *NM* - 18/01/2010 09:37:49 PM 227 Views
That's such an amusing argument - 18/01/2010 08:17:15 PM 552 Views
I'm against people with pasta based nicknames on fantasy forums *NM* - 19/01/2010 03:03:31 PM 239 Views
cannoli is a pastry *NM* - 19/01/2010 07:25:04 PM 218 Views
I have no problem with people with pastry based names, just pasta - 21/01/2010 12:28:44 AM 504 Views
I can't help but find it funny - 18/01/2010 12:51:57 PM 520 Views
So... - 18/01/2010 03:39:33 PM 661 Views
I think you missed who was the one to walk out - 18/01/2010 04:11:05 PM 547 Views
you acept your friends with their warts or you don't - 18/01/2010 06:45:13 PM 657 Views
I think you missed who was the one to walk out *NM* - 18/01/2010 08:01:25 PM 209 Views
I don't think it was that clear - 18/01/2010 10:01:32 PM 570 Views
I don't think it is all that clear yet, either - 18/01/2010 10:27:54 PM 610 Views
I wasn't taking sides - 18/01/2010 10:57:39 PM 488 Views

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