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the problem with your friend is the "southern evangelical christian" part moondog Send a noteboard - 17/01/2010 09:07:02 AM
She once told me that she believes I should turn to Christ if I want to save my soul, and that I wont go to heaven in her eyes even if I am a nice person because I dont except Jesus as my savior and what not.


i knew a born-again baptist (probably holding the same beliefs as your friend) who told me the exact same thing. that it doesn't matter if you live your life according to the teachings of jesus if you never accept jesus as your personal savior blah blah blah. in other words, if you don't believe in jesus, it doesn't matter if you do good in the world or not because you'll automatically go straight to hell whether you believe in the christian afterlife or not :rolleyes:

anyway, i find it interesting that what originally started as a diversionary issue has become such a big civil rights discussion. i have to agree with some of the analysis on the supreme court decision: whether or not the supreme court strikes down the marriage bans at this stage of the game, it will be difficult to get the nation to accept the decision because there is such strong division on the issue.

i don't understand the rationale behind the opposition except that they hate homosexuality for some reason, and legitimizing it by allowing gay marriage is basically shaking their belief structure to the core. i also think that because it's such a strongly divisive issue right now, that the opposition is going to rationalize any fringe issue to deny gay marriage and make it such a scary thing to people who might be on the fence about it....
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I may have lost a friend over same sex marriage - 17/01/2010 08:03:26 AM 1385 Views
the problem with your friend is the "southern evangelical christian" part - 17/01/2010 09:07:02 AM 694 Views
They believe gay marriage is ongoing unrepentant sin. - 17/01/2010 12:04:58 PM 704 Views
God your a moron. - 17/01/2010 09:10:17 PM 644 Views
be nice - 18/01/2010 06:26:58 AM 558 Views
<shrug> They can believe that all that they like - 18/01/2010 08:07:28 PM 610 Views
And live accordingly. Just like everyone else. - 18/01/2010 11:10:51 PM 618 Views
Re: And live accordingly. Just like everyone else. - 20/01/2010 10:40:36 PM 569 Views
It is, I believe, hardest for the intelligent educated man. - 21/01/2010 10:29:39 AM 701 Views
You can't use logic in an irrational argument. - 17/01/2010 10:12:11 AM 594 Views
LOL... *NM* - 18/01/2010 05:21:14 AM 332 Views
You and Adam are being equally unconstructive. - 18/01/2010 06:21:45 AM 522 Views
why do you imply "constructive" is in anyway the intent? *NM* - 18/01/2010 06:32:27 AM 253 Views
*shrug* I never stopped believing in lost causes? - 18/01/2010 07:36:04 AM 511 Views
Re: You can't use logic in an irrational argument. - 18/01/2010 06:28:41 AM 649 Views
Always welcome. - 18/01/2010 07:31:27 AM 746 Views
We finally converted you - 17/01/2010 08:43:25 PM 530 Views
Not much of a friend then. Good ridance to bad friends. *NM* - 17/01/2010 08:51:02 PM 403 Views
I agree. A friend who can't respect differences of opinion is no friend at all. *NM* - 17/01/2010 09:11:33 PM 261 Views
seriously. *NM* - 17/01/2010 10:46:17 PM 221 Views
Only because such sentiment is my pet peeve...condemning exclusivity is hypocritical. *NM* - 19/01/2010 12:37:37 AM 291 Views
yeah no kidding - 18/01/2010 06:30:45 AM 523 Views
It forces other people to accept THEIR ideology that same sex unions are legitimate. - 18/01/2010 01:49:20 AM 685 Views
I would assume, then, that you don't support any government-mandated health care? - 18/01/2010 02:07:40 AM 522 Views
Correct - 18/01/2010 04:29:04 AM 605 Views
Although I disagree with the vast majority of your arguments, - 18/01/2010 08:50:09 AM 599 Views
Thank you. - 20/01/2010 01:47:34 AM 749 Views
Please tell me you have a source for that quotation. Other than me. - 21/01/2010 12:31:27 PM 609 Views
It's GK Chesterton! What the hell are you going on about? - 27/01/2010 02:41:00 AM 488 Views
Link? - 27/01/2010 09:28:22 AM 579 Views
I can't find a link to the exact quote - 27/01/2010 12:14:19 PM 695 Views
Re: Link? - 27/01/2010 01:38:36 PM 713 Views
Perhaps we should define our terms more precisely. - 15/02/2010 11:28:09 AM 1073 Views
we do not exist in a free market. - 18/01/2010 04:09:37 AM 527 Views
And that's bad. Since when has the correct response to oppression been "accept further oppression"? *NM* - 18/01/2010 04:30:44 AM 271 Views
I am simply pointing out your arguments do not apply to the present economic environment. - 18/01/2010 04:46:04 AM 483 Views
No I am not. - 19/01/2010 10:44:31 PM 606 Views
That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 04:19:57 AM 561 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 04:41:27 AM 578 Views
civil marriages DO have a purpose. - 18/01/2010 04:49:12 AM 560 Views
Re: civil marriages DO have a purpose. - 19/01/2010 10:47:18 PM 616 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 07:13:54 AM 561 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 19/01/2010 10:59:45 PM 533 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 07:15:50 AM 640 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 20/01/2010 01:38:37 AM 445 Views
Are you at all surprised? - 18/01/2010 07:59:30 AM 554 Views
A truly free country means I don't have the freedom to shoot you - 18/01/2010 05:57:44 AM 637 Views
You really said nothing, right there. - 18/01/2010 08:34:33 AM 595 Views
I presume you are equally against the current set up - 18/01/2010 12:31:33 PM 633 Views
He said as much in his response to me above. *NM* - 18/01/2010 09:37:49 PM 216 Views
That's such an amusing argument - 18/01/2010 08:17:15 PM 522 Views
I'm against people with pasta based nicknames on fantasy forums *NM* - 19/01/2010 03:03:31 PM 227 Views
cannoli is a pastry *NM* - 19/01/2010 07:25:04 PM 207 Views
I have no problem with people with pastry based names, just pasta - 21/01/2010 12:28:44 AM 476 Views
I can't help but find it funny - 18/01/2010 12:51:57 PM 497 Views
So... - 18/01/2010 03:39:33 PM 622 Views
I think you missed who was the one to walk out - 18/01/2010 04:11:05 PM 519 Views
you acept your friends with their warts or you don't - 18/01/2010 06:45:13 PM 629 Views
I think you missed who was the one to walk out *NM* - 18/01/2010 08:01:25 PM 199 Views
I don't think it was that clear - 18/01/2010 10:01:32 PM 544 Views
I don't think it is all that clear yet, either - 18/01/2010 10:27:54 PM 585 Views
I wasn't taking sides - 18/01/2010 10:57:39 PM 458 Views

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