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Your defintion of racism and sexism seems to massively differ from mine Isaac Send a noteboard - 13/01/2010 03:37:46 PM
I define racism, sexism, etc as an irrational and strong bias against a given group, I do not believe individual issues can be defined that way, even if it many of the people who might be advantaged or disadvantaged by the result happen to be members of a specific group, and many of the people who hate them happen to be on one side of the issue.

By your logic, many people having decided that abortion is a women's issue, all pro-lifers are sexist on that issue, which is likely to really surprise a lot of women who are pro-life. Ditto, anyone who thinks we need to really lock down our borders against illegal immigrants is not automatically a racist, just because most people who dislike hispanics happen to agree with them. To raise an absurd case, because I always feel they clarify things so well, I think it's hard to accuse people of sexism for not thinking the NFL should let women on to teams. You're not a bigot if you're view is not irrational. You have to be totally living in Fantasia to think there are an equal number of women as men who can compete at pro football.

Your either racist, sexist, etc or you aren't. If Hitler said 'well, I think jews and germans tend to be equally good carpenters' I can't see there being any logic to saying 'Hitler isn't racist on that issue' nor would I think someone was racist on that issue if it turned out that pieces of woodworking from germany typically went for higher prices than Israel.

I think long before you label people who dislike AAE as racist, even if 'just on that issue', you might want to consider that they might be dumb, snobbish, or wrong - especially since being labeled 'racist' the days is about as bad as being labeled 'rapist', dumb, snobbish, or incorrect are basically socially acceptable foibles. I know a lot of black people in my own area, the rural midwest, who sneer at AAE, and I'm sure their reason is the obvious one, us rural midwesterners know our version of english is simply the superior one. I'm pretty sure blacks in rural ohio who dislike ebonics probably deserve to be titled as snobbish, regiocentric (if that's a word?), or maybe dumb before we call them racist, even if it's just 'racist on that issue'

I get what you're saying, and sure there are a lot of racial overtones on this issue, but I don't think it's fair to label people racist, even if it just 'a little racist, just on this issue' when you can't really back that up.
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So what EXACTLY is the problem with Reid's comments? - 12/01/2010 04:11:56 AM 880 Views
it wasn't just that he commented on the lack of "dialect" - 12/01/2010 04:16:27 AM 594 Views
Regardless of that, I don't see the ability to use dialect as a racist statement. - 12/01/2010 04:32:07 AM 544 Views
I agree - 12/01/2010 04:36:23 AM 563 Views
That's what I was thinking... - 12/01/2010 08:52:32 AM 571 Views
when was the last time you heard a white person speaking ebonics? - 12/01/2010 01:41:24 PM 554 Views
A week or so ago. - 12/01/2010 08:09:09 PM 490 Views
About a day for me. - 12/01/2010 10:33:40 PM 566 Views
Yeah, I'm back in Boston now, so... - 13/01/2010 03:33:38 AM 459 Views
Isn't that the definition of a wigger? A white person who speaks/acts like a black person? - 12/01/2010 09:49:34 PM 523 Views
So black person = N****r? Reid's looking better and better. *NM* - 12/01/2010 10:34:37 PM 250 Views
You know Tim isn't saying that. - 12/01/2010 10:43:43 PM 515 Views
Um, what? - 13/01/2010 06:55:21 AM 514 Views
And the fact that Wigger = White N****r isn't racist at all! *NM* - 12/01/2010 10:33:04 PM 284 Views
I wasn't using the term seriously 9_9 - 13/01/2010 04:26:20 AM 486 Views
The problem is he's a politician - 12/01/2010 04:35:51 AM 583 Views
because that would solve our problems. *NM* - 12/01/2010 04:37:18 AM 243 Views
You know, what IS a good term for black people these days? - 12/01/2010 04:36:33 AM 591 Views
technically... - 12/01/2010 04:39:51 AM 563 Views
i know, right? *NM* - 12/01/2010 06:11:33 AM 257 Views
I just use "black" - 12/01/2010 02:27:16 PM 490 Views
yah, that's what i typically do... - 12/01/2010 02:28:39 PM 564 Views
I agree. Say what you mean. - 12/01/2010 10:03:37 PM 534 Views
How many "black" people do you know that are truely black? - 13/01/2010 05:10:44 AM 509 Views
how many white people do you know are WHITE? *NM* - 13/01/2010 05:26:36 AM 231 Views
Why is it OK to discriminate on the grounds of language but not race? - 12/01/2010 08:23:21 AM 645 Views
Please tell me you were joking... *NM* - 12/01/2010 01:29:37 PM 221 Views
Not in the least. I thought you knew me better than that. - 12/01/2010 09:44:59 PM 485 Views
Ah! You were looking for an active rebuttal - 13/01/2010 01:48:20 PM 455 Views
It is okay to discriminate based on language... - 12/01/2010 01:40:18 PM 563 Views
Your AAE is a language the way that Pig Latin is a language. - 12/01/2010 06:38:35 PM 523 Views
I don't even know where to begin. - 12/01/2010 09:43:21 PM 594 Views
That third point is going a bit far. - 12/01/2010 10:06:08 PM 554 Views
You're right, I was conflating two separate points. - 12/01/2010 10:14:48 PM 496 Views
Well, it still only applies... - 12/01/2010 10:24:08 PM 639 Views
You ascribe too much intelligence to the average American racist . - 12/01/2010 10:30:39 PM 715 Views
You're guessing at people's motives and making what appear to be broad, unsupported assertions - 12/01/2010 11:04:47 PM 545 Views
I don't mean they're racist in all respects. - 13/01/2010 06:52:20 AM 459 Views
Your defintion of racism and sexism seems to massively differ from mine - 13/01/2010 03:37:46 PM 603 Views
That it was a stupid thing to say? - 12/01/2010 09:49:05 AM 579 Views
this. *NM* - 12/01/2010 01:07:46 PM 252 Views
Who seriously uses the term "Negro dialect" anymore? - 13/01/2010 02:00:15 AM 484 Views
the subject is race. and party lines. - 13/01/2010 05:27:39 AM 476 Views
Powell, Rice and Steele. Just food for thought. *NM* - 13/01/2010 08:12:18 PM 307 Views

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