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Your defintion of racism and sexism seems to massively differ from mine Isaac Send a noteboard - 13/01/2010 03:37:46 PM
I define racism, sexism, etc as an irrational and strong bias against a given group, I do not believe individual issues can be defined that way, even if it many of the people who might be advantaged or disadvantaged by the result happen to be members of a specific group, and many of the people who hate them happen to be on one side of the issue.

By your logic, many people having decided that abortion is a women's issue, all pro-lifers are sexist on that issue, which is likely to really surprise a lot of women who are pro-life. Ditto, anyone who thinks we need to really lock down our borders against illegal immigrants is not automatically a racist, just because most people who dislike hispanics happen to agree with them. To raise an absurd case, because I always feel they clarify things so well, I think it's hard to accuse people of sexism for not thinking the NFL should let women on to teams. You're not a bigot if you're view is not irrational. You have to be totally living in Fantasia to think there are an equal number of women as men who can compete at pro football.

Your either racist, sexist, etc or you aren't. If Hitler said 'well, I think jews and germans tend to be equally good carpenters' I can't see there being any logic to saying 'Hitler isn't racist on that issue' nor would I think someone was racist on that issue if it turned out that pieces of woodworking from germany typically went for higher prices than Israel.

I think long before you label people who dislike AAE as racist, even if 'just on that issue', you might want to consider that they might be dumb, snobbish, or wrong - especially since being labeled 'racist' the days is about as bad as being labeled 'rapist', dumb, snobbish, or incorrect are basically socially acceptable foibles. I know a lot of black people in my own area, the rural midwest, who sneer at AAE, and I'm sure their reason is the obvious one, us rural midwesterners know our version of english is simply the superior one. I'm pretty sure blacks in rural ohio who dislike ebonics probably deserve to be titled as snobbish, regiocentric (if that's a word?), or maybe dumb before we call them racist, even if it's just 'racist on that issue'

I get what you're saying, and sure there are a lot of racial overtones on this issue, but I don't think it's fair to label people racist, even if it just 'a little racist, just on this issue' when you can't really back that up.
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So what EXACTLY is the problem with Reid's comments? - 12/01/2010 04:11:56 AM 913 Views
it wasn't just that he commented on the lack of "dialect" - 12/01/2010 04:16:27 AM 609 Views
Regardless of that, I don't see the ability to use dialect as a racist statement. - 12/01/2010 04:32:07 AM 556 Views
I agree - 12/01/2010 04:36:23 AM 575 Views
That's what I was thinking... - 12/01/2010 08:52:32 AM 580 Views
when was the last time you heard a white person speaking ebonics? - 12/01/2010 01:41:24 PM 569 Views
A week or so ago. - 12/01/2010 08:09:09 PM 502 Views
About a day for me. - 12/01/2010 10:33:40 PM 576 Views
Yeah, I'm back in Boston now, so... - 13/01/2010 03:33:38 AM 468 Views
Isn't that the definition of a wigger? A white person who speaks/acts like a black person? - 12/01/2010 09:49:34 PM 536 Views
So black person = N****r? Reid's looking better and better. *NM* - 12/01/2010 10:34:37 PM 255 Views
You know Tim isn't saying that. - 12/01/2010 10:43:43 PM 526 Views
Um, what? - 13/01/2010 06:55:21 AM 525 Views
And the fact that Wigger = White N****r isn't racist at all! *NM* - 12/01/2010 10:33:04 PM 289 Views
I wasn't using the term seriously 9_9 - 13/01/2010 04:26:20 AM 499 Views
The problem is he's a politician - 12/01/2010 04:35:51 AM 602 Views
because that would solve our problems. *NM* - 12/01/2010 04:37:18 AM 248 Views
You know, what IS a good term for black people these days? - 12/01/2010 04:36:33 AM 603 Views
technically... - 12/01/2010 04:39:51 AM 576 Views
i know, right? *NM* - 12/01/2010 06:11:33 AM 260 Views
I just use "black" - 12/01/2010 02:27:16 PM 503 Views
yah, that's what i typically do... - 12/01/2010 02:28:39 PM 575 Views
I agree. Say what you mean. - 12/01/2010 10:03:37 PM 542 Views
How many "black" people do you know that are truely black? - 13/01/2010 05:10:44 AM 519 Views
how many white people do you know are WHITE? *NM* - 13/01/2010 05:26:36 AM 236 Views
Why is it OK to discriminate on the grounds of language but not race? - 12/01/2010 08:23:21 AM 657 Views
Please tell me you were joking... *NM* - 12/01/2010 01:29:37 PM 226 Views
Not in the least. I thought you knew me better than that. - 12/01/2010 09:44:59 PM 496 Views
Ah! You were looking for an active rebuttal - 13/01/2010 01:48:20 PM 469 Views
It is okay to discriminate based on language... - 12/01/2010 01:40:18 PM 574 Views
Your AAE is a language the way that Pig Latin is a language. - 12/01/2010 06:38:35 PM 535 Views
I don't even know where to begin. - 12/01/2010 09:43:21 PM 610 Views
That third point is going a bit far. - 12/01/2010 10:06:08 PM 566 Views
You're right, I was conflating two separate points. - 12/01/2010 10:14:48 PM 508 Views
Well, it still only applies... - 12/01/2010 10:24:08 PM 653 Views
You ascribe too much intelligence to the average American racist . - 12/01/2010 10:30:39 PM 725 Views
You're guessing at people's motives and making what appear to be broad, unsupported assertions - 12/01/2010 11:04:47 PM 554 Views
I don't mean they're racist in all respects. - 13/01/2010 06:52:20 AM 471 Views
Your defintion of racism and sexism seems to massively differ from mine - 13/01/2010 03:37:46 PM 614 Views
That it was a stupid thing to say? - 12/01/2010 09:49:05 AM 591 Views
this. *NM* - 12/01/2010 01:07:46 PM 257 Views
Who seriously uses the term "Negro dialect" anymore? - 13/01/2010 02:00:15 AM 494 Views
the subject is race. and party lines. - 13/01/2010 05:27:39 AM 486 Views
Powell, Rice and Steele. Just food for thought. *NM* - 13/01/2010 08:12:18 PM 310 Views

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